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Brody
December 28th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Here is a link to a basic 'what to bring' and a good vehicle check list to go through BEFORE you leave your driveway:

http://www.arizonaoutback.com/offroadtips.html

Here is another link for recovery information. This link also has a great deal of information on off road driving and wheeling in general. A lot of information for new 4 wheelers..:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/checklists/a/aa121901a_4.htm

And a youtube recovery training video with many informative linked videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2NTiniZcrQ

The one thing that none of these lists mention is what to carry your extra clothes and personal emergency supplies in. Remember that you may very well have to walk out...

I have found that any of the river style waterproof bags work exceptionally well and come in a variety of sizes and style. Most of them are made of a Herculite kind of cloth, much the same as what rafts are made from. The are all designed to withstand being in or under water for long periods of time. I use two styles, one is a water proof duffel style with carrying handles and an over the shoulder strap. The other style is a pack style, with or with out a waist belt, that I can carry on my back. Into these go all my emergency clothes and anything else that I need to stay dry or to keep dry.. These are usually very stout, but it pays to spend a little time and a few more bucks to get a good one. I have a couple of these, that, although they have been patched a bit, remain waterproof and usable even after 15 or 20 years of rather brutal use. The other option, especially if you are a climber with big wall experience and gear, is to use the climbing 'haul bags'. These are even more burly and are also water proof.

As far as all of the other recovery gear and back country supplies, pretty much anything goes as far as storage containers. I found that many of the 'soft' items can be put into small ammo cans, small packs, and small duffel bags. As far as a source for the ammo cans, any Army Navy Surplus stores have these, usually fairly cheap and in a few different configurations. Source the other packs or duffels at any outdoor retailer, or, better yet, go to any Goodwill or ARC and pick them up for a dime on the dollar.

Don't forget to bring a sharpie marker and something to write on. If you have to leave your vehicle for any reason, it is good to put a note on it giving where you have headed and when you expect to be back, also a phone number. This won't stop someone from breaking into your rig, which they would do anyway, (with or without a note) but might keep any FS Ranger, Sheriff or Highway Patrol from immediately towing your rig. Most importantly, it lets anyone who stops know that you are ok and that there is no need to mount a huge rescue operation. On the flip side of this, if someone is injured and mobile, it will get help to you fast. Make sure that you state which direction you are headed, what time you left, injured parties and what kind of injuries, time, and where you are going.

Another recovery gear and vehicle prep link:

http://www.4x4connection.com/tech/recoverytips.htm

And another:

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/trail/131_0805_4x4_trail_recovery_equipment_survival_kit/index.html

Okay...if you can't or won't figure out what you are needing to have in your rig or what to do before you leave your driveway with this collection of articles, you should probably take up another sport such as competitive sewing....and not leave your house at all...

Brody
January 12th, 2009, 06:34 AM
As I mentioned yesterday, a very cheap source for a back up or additional towing/recovery straps are the ropes used at any of the indoor climbing gyms. Their insurance companies require that the ropes that they use in their gyms get replaced after so many hours of use. There is nothing technically wrong with these ropes and the falls that they have caught are all very low impact. These ropes are 'static' ropes, meaning that they have very little stretch, not like regular technical climbing ropes. The strength rating on these ropes, single line, is around 5,000 pounds. Doubled up and tied with a knot, the breaking strength would be around 8k-9k with the weakest link being the knot.

I have used these ropes and regular climbing ropes with a lot of success for towing and recovery for 30 years or more and have only managed to break one of them. This break happened using a really trashed 10 year old rope to snatch out some tree trunks when we were doing a fencing job...and the rope broke at the knot.

Many climbing gyms will just give you these ropes, some will sell them for a small fee. The average length will be around 80 feet. Regular 'retired' climbing ropes will also work, but will be more dynamic, and will have more stretch. Nothing wrong here, just be aware of it.

So stop in at any gym when you pass one or bug one of your friends who rock climbs. Anyone who climbs usually has a couple of hashed ropes kicking around somewhere and if they don't wheel, you are in luck as there really isn't too much you can do with them...

Brody
January 13th, 2009, 06:55 AM
Here are a number of links to youtube videos showing additional information on the Hi Lift jack useage and accessories:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q881HaMAWkk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqPm2_tYk4Q&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRMU5YYAjc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfbR4REV-s&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIeASvjxDtU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FtNoNtY5s&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxyvKdV2IEU&feature=related

Here are some on basic recovery techniques:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HOQJ0Molw&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHng7n6BBU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UzX3F4Oygw&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBkIaMwXoU&feature=related

And some recovery videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=465t1T3S_JY&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i393_sMyR4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAw0gKcqvE&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rOEsWYuMRA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTAybqFJFA&feature=related

A note on the vehicle recoveries-don't ask me why there are so many Rover videos out there. I would have assumed that there were more Jeep recovery vids just due to the number of Jeeps. Maybe the Brits just take more pictures of their rigs in trouble.

I am also going to refrain from comments on any techniques used in the recoveries. You should be able to tell what was done right and safely and what wasn't. The main thing here was just showing that you can get your rigs out of some pretty bad messes. See what equipment was used a lot, too. This is what you need in your stuff.

Brody
May 16th, 2009, 06:55 AM
From Pathrat:

I found this page, showing multiple links to recovery gear store sites.

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/winc..._SUVs_ATVs.htm (http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/winchesrecoveryequipment/Winches_Off_Road_Recovery_Equipment_for_4x4_Trucks _SUVs_ATVs.htm)

Brody
December 15th, 2009, 06:40 AM
This is a good link from cfr for a military recovery manual:

http://www.archive.org/details/Fm20-...veryOperations (http://www.archive.org/details/Fm20-22VehicleRecoveryOperations)

Brody
February 14th, 2010, 10:04 AM
This is a very good link from JeffX that answers many question related to winching, using, and setting up winches and pulleys for recoveries:

http://www.arrivealive.co.za/Print.aspx?s=5&i=2908

That is the best article I've seen on basic winching techniques.

Here is link to winching, Hi Lift use recovery videos that are posted in about 3 different spots on the forum:

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/content.php?85-Re-Recovery-and-general-check-list

wyota
April 12th, 2010, 08:21 PM
so i went to Brodys yesterday and got the new cross member installed ( THANKS AGAIN Pete :thunb:) and I finished up the remainder of the welding this morning and got the bumper bolted on. Here are a few pic's. going to pick up a winch in the morning:D. And another BIG thanks to Scotty and the guys down at Addicted Off Road :2thumbup:

Chris
April 12th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Looks great Todd, great to see it mounted!

Thanks again to Scotty at Addicted Off Road for this Anniversary Run donation!

:cheers:

Mporter
April 12th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Swwwwweeeet

Brody
April 13th, 2010, 06:11 AM
You are welcome, Todd!

For all of you Toyota folks out there on the forum that do not know Scotty's sweet work, especially this very nicely (one of the best in my book) designed bumper, check out his build threads in the Build section on the forum and his website:

http://www.addictedoffroad.com/

Scotty is a great dude.

CR
April 13th, 2010, 10:01 AM
Sick!
Good work boys!

Smash
April 13th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Dang that looks GOOD!

Haku
April 13th, 2010, 11:25 AM
You are welcome, Todd!

For all of you Toyota folks out there on the forum that do not know Scotty's sweet work, especially this very nicely (one of the best in my book) designed bumper, check out his build threads in the Build section on the forum and his website:

http://www.addictedoffroad.com/

Scotty is a great dude.

Agreed. You aren't going to find a better bumper for a Toyota then the one that Scotty makes. His is the most reasonably priced, and in my opinion best designed of the bunch. Trail gear and Marlin both make a similar one, but the lines on the Addicted one are the slickest looking and don't block lights and such (trail gears has a bar that goes right through the middle of the headlights). Would definitely recommend his stuff to anyone, plus he's a local guy so you can go pick it up yourself.

KnuckleHead
April 13th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Looks good....

MelloYello
April 13th, 2010, 02:41 PM
That is a super nice bumper. Looks good.

CR
April 13th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Hey todd,
You get that grill glued on yet?:lmao:

brian pleasant
April 14th, 2010, 12:07 AM
nice looking bumper and very functional too. i would like to have my truck bumper made someday.

wyota
April 16th, 2010, 08:21 PM
LOL CR, no i didn't get it glued on........zip tie's :lmao:

Chris
April 16th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Where would we be w/o zip ties!

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 09:58 PM
I dont think I would even have a vehicle without zip ties!!

Brody
April 17th, 2010, 06:25 AM
HAHA....You know when you have a zip tie problem when you find yourself getting jealous of your buddies that get them free at work...

And also when you know where to buy the 'good' zip ties and where the places are that sell the 'bad' zip ties...

And again, when you have secret 'stashes' of zip ties scattered around for when you run out of them in the middle of some project...

Let's see.....I have some in my main tool bag. I have some stashed in with all my fluids in the lower section of my toollbox. There is a stash in my back up toolbox, my electrical junk, my console, storage pouch in the back of my rig, a secondary pouch in my truck, my first aid kit, two separate places in the garage, in with my tent stuff, in with my camping junk, rolled up in my carry tarp....Oh, yes....I have a zip tie problem....

"Hi. My name is Peter Brody and I am a zip tie addict"

Mporter
April 17th, 2010, 08:52 AM
Hi Peter Brody! :hibye::brody:

Andrew
April 17th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Hey you can do anything with enough zip ties and duct tape.

BlueMoonMobile
April 17th, 2010, 12:50 PM
Bumper looks great Todd! I wanna see it in person! What winch did you go with?

Mporter
April 17th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Looks like a Smittybilt XRC 8 (or 10 I can't tell)

CR
April 18th, 2010, 04:53 PM
Very nice Todd.
Not that you'll ever need to use that winch with your skillz.:smokin:

wyota
April 18th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Thanks CR :D

Jimmy
April 19th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Throw Land Rovers on the list too - I run LongTracks offered through http://www.rovertracks.com (http://www.rovertracks.com/) in the Disco. Longfield and RoverTracks got together to design them (IIRC). One thing that came up (probably on a LR board somewhere) about running these types of axles is that they are much harder (obviously, given the material from which they are made) than stock/factory axles. As such, they will not live as long as a factory axle under normal driving conditions. They're designed to take the thrashing we all put them through off road; on road is not their comfort zone. They're not suited for daily driving. But with a no-questions-asked warranty, who gives a hoot! :) It's just something to be aware of when running these axles.

Volcom
April 19th, 2010, 12:31 AM
The Toyota Longfields don't see any stress being daily driven because of the front lockout hubs. The axles don't spin if you've got them unlocked. The same can't be said for the FJ80's. Longfield makes a set for the 80 axles but doesn't recommend daily driving on them since they run drive flanges in the front from the factory.

Brody
April 19th, 2010, 06:15 AM
What Aaron said: no flanges, manual lockouts=free wheeling front end and no stress...These went in about 6 years ago. Up to this last year, LaDawn and I were running a lot of trails and doing a lot of road driving. Cumulative damage...