Just another SAS swap !

[94ToyBear]

I think im sticking to leafs up front. It Iis allready set up for a Toyota solid axle with a 29 inch center to center. Needed 32.5 with my dana 60. Imm have to make or modify the TG front spring hanger. The big question is ! And I hope someone has some good input for me.....

What front springs should I go with? Right now I have the full stock rear springs with full stock yj mixed.
I dont think that could handle the 5.3, sm465, np205 combo And eeventually tube exo.
Is there another Heavier spring set should look in to ?
Maybe some 3/4 ton fronts at least?

[eck55]

I didnt have to grind much, I actully used a die grinder with a sanding disk on it les then a 1/8 was taken off in the middle of the caliper and some minor spots though out the out side of the caliper.

Yupp. Had to do that to clear my 15x10s too. No interference on 15x8s pre-grind.

PS - sorry its a year later. just read the thread. gonna be a sweet ride, just keep pushing forward. :2thumbup:

[94ToyBear]

Yupp. Had to do that to clear my 15x10s too. No interference on 15x8s pre-grind.

PS - sorry its a year later. just read the thread. gonna be a sweet ride, just keep pushing forward. :2thumbup:
Its gona be soooomday or year. Just need help with the front spring set up.

[parothd]

A buddy had aftermarket FJ80 spring that I used and that work out really good. it moved the front axle forward a couple of inches. I will have to get those measurement for you. the Alcan I have now on the buggy are starting to sag. I will need to do something different with those here pretty soon.

[94ToyBear]

A buddy had aftermarket FJ80 spring that I used and that work out really good. it moved the front axle forward a couple of inches. I will have to get those measurement for you. the Alcan I have now on the buggy are starting to sag. I will need to do something different with those here pretty soon.

The the main problem that I see is weight. Do you think FJ80 springs could hold up ?

[The StRanger]

Just remember, Heaver spring dont flex as well.
Longer, softer spring with the right hangers will flex better..

[94ToyBear]

The yota springs mixed with yj pack measures out to 48 inches(unloaded)
I have a extra set of 2010 Extra cab Tacoma (main/top) springs measuring 53 inches (unloaded)
What do you think about me choping the ends of the 48 inch and adding then to 53?
So in all it would be a hybrid pack of 2010 Tacoma main springs 94 pick up rear spring mixed with yj and no over load.
Seems like it would still flex well its longer but not to long same width so I cannuse my existing new poly bushings and might bring my shackles a little more forward like I think I need.

Opinions any one ??

[redneck23ms]

that sounds like it should work. you can always add/take away leafs to get the desired height once its all together

[94ToyBear]

Do you think the 53 inch main spring could handle the weight and power ?

[The StRanger]

Sounds like it should work..
Have you seen the spring on the Blazer at Jazz It Up off Dayton & Arapahoe ??

[94ToyBear]

Sounds like it should work..
Have you seen the spring on the Blazer at Jazz It Up off Dayton & Arapahoe ??

Nope I have not. Why is that ?

[94ToyBear]

Figured a way to move my peaches out for the width of the 60 and forward for new longer springs. It Including a place for winch plate and a hitch receiver. And its pretty much free!

I Need to clean all the metal off do some do some drilling, alot of welding. Finish my springs up and im sure its nailed.

Perches will be temporarily adjustable so I can find optimal permanent home.

[The StRanger]

Nope I have not. Why is that ?

He has inverted spring on top of springs.
Big time flex. Ill try to get a pic tomorrow

[94ToyBear]

I want to see that !

[redneck23ms]

Sounds like it's probably a 3/4 elliptical or buggy leaf setup. It's not really anything new. https://www.google.com/search?q=3/4+elliptical+suspension&client=ms-android-verizon&source=univ&tbm=isch&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=HGsgVOjSH8KpyAS55IKQBw&ved=0CDgQ7Ak&biw=360&bih=592

[94ToyBear]

Sounds like it's probably a 3/4 elliptical or buggy leaf setup. It's not really anything new. https://www.google.com/search?q=3/4+elliptical+suspension&client=ms-android-verizon&source=univ&tbm=isch&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=HGsgVOjSH8KpyAS55IKQBw&ved=0CDgQ7Ak&biw=360&bih=592

when its put that way I know what your talking about. I have seen those set up and even bounded the idea around but came to the conclusion its not really Road/high way worthy. SAM was the 3/4 elliptical what your talking about ?

[The StRanger]

Ya. Its the full spring setup.
I know its old school, But it still flexes big time !

[94ToyBear]

not for flex but more for style I plan on using a 3/4 elliptical and cantilevered shocks on my 57 willys pick up Rat rod ! Sam take a picture next time anyways always fun to see something local

[94ToyBear]

Looks like I FINALLY figured out what im doing with my rig !
I combined the PU 48 inch stock yj springs with the main 53 inch Tacoma spring and looks like it will do the job.
By doing that I had to move my front hanger forward about 5 inches.
I had to extend and expand the front frame and used 3x3 about .135 wall tubing.
Looks like its going to be a strong edition to it.
Ill try and post picks up soon .

[94ToyBear]

what I have been up to

[94ToyBear]

what I have been up to

[Cr33p3r]

Looks like that will work pretty good.

[88Toy]

Looks good, Adam. Will it stretch the wheelbase?

[94ToyBear]

Looks good, Adam. Will it stretch the wheelbase?
I wish I could tell ya ! My wheel base will be at 126 inches (around 5 inches more then stock).
The rear was moved back around 3 inches so im assuming front went forward about 2.
Even with that info it really dont matter till I have to motor and drive line in to adjust the front springs for shakle angle. Im thinking ill have to move forward.

[94ToyBear]

After a Loooooooong 3 1/2 years I finally have a solid axle under the front of my rig ! On top of that its a D60!
Its was to dark to take any pics. Ill try
And gwt some pics up soon.

[Patrolman]

Congrats Adam! Good work!

[88Toy]

It's kinda funny how long these projects take. Looking forward to the pics!

[94ToyBear]

Dear diary, today I matted the Ls, sm465, np205 together for the first time. Then I mocked the motor to get ideas to build motot and tanny mounts...then I took my center dash apart to fit the shifter.
But the shifter was sloppy so I welded the broken weld on the shifter and the shifter paddle too.
It works great ! Now I dont have to remove anymore dash parts.
Now im sitting in my rig at 10:30 pm imagining all the thing on going to run over.....

Hahaha ill get pics up soon of everything iv been saying ill get pics up and the most recent one too.

P.s. I live I love you Red yota !

Cracking my self up !

[88Toy]

Adam, you need some rest.

[94ToyBear]

Thats a nicw way to put it Les haha

[94ToyBear]

Anyone willing to post some pics up for me ?:D:bowdown::bowdown:
I can text or email them
Seems like when I have time to do so my phone dont have service
And it never works out for me do to at my work computer

[94ToyBear]

Finally, I am able to load pics from my phone. It is slow but it works. I just need to keep an eye on the auto correct!

my truck it's a roller now !
Today I made a skid plate, cross/member/ tranny/mount all in one.
I used the same lines the Toyota cross member used and using the stock mounting point's. It's made from 3/8ths thick plate. W
I will be fabbing up the mount part soon with poly bushings.

[94ToyBear]

Stock member vs new member. To
Tucked under pretty well !

[94ToyBear]

Homemade motor mounts from ploy bushings.

Shifter all bent into place too!

[88Toy]

Truck looks awesome, Adam. I was hoping all those parts you were selling wasn't off this. It looks like the frame brackets are slotted on top. Do you think there'll be any chance of the mount pulling up knowing what kind of torque will be applied?

[94ToyBear]

Yes there will be a chance, the design is based off of Mopars old spool type motor mounts I will fab up some kind of stop towards the top of the mount to keep from pulling out. good eye by the way

[88Toy]

I knew you had had it under control. Just thinking out loud. The plate crossmember really cleans things up underneath, too.

[94ToyBear]

Like this, it's has a lip around the top.
This is off of an older A body Mopar.

[94ToyBear]

I knew you had had it under control. Just thinking out loud. The plate crossmember really cleans things up underneath, too.

Yeah it really does. It was cheep to make too ! 35$ for clean plate.

[Patrolman]

Nice work! The crossmember and mounts look great!

[94ToyBear]

Any one think one Polly bushing will be one for the transmission mount? I'm sure it will be strong enough,it the twist I'm concerned about. It needs to have some give right? Should I find a rubber bushing in stead of a polly?

5.3 is, sm465,np205 combo with one tons.

[dieseldoc]

well that is dependant on how you like the feel to be.
many rigs are goimg soilid mount for engine and transmission.
I had opption in my sami buggy....should have solid mounted the t-case....
the amont of twist that 6.5:1 gear set made was crazy. bent the hell out 3/16 plate.

[94ToyBear]

I don't mind some vibrations, my main concern is torsional stress to bell housing, mounts and frame.

[dieseldoc]

with engine and trans solid the flex is min
the vibration is not bad enough to be issue
pulling thing out takes longer...

??how is you shifting...looks very close in there

[94ToyBear]

I will most like over build the mount brakets with the left over 3/8ths plate I have.

[94ToyBear]

Dang it the picture is up side down.

[94ToyBear]

If I don't use a runner bushing would 2 pollys be better?

[dieseldoc]

I have always us3d jeep spring eye bush8ngs for engine mounts or trans mounts.
I even use them for spair tire mounts too....swing downs are so nice....leverage makes lifting these big heavy tires so much better.

[94ToyBear]

That actually don't seem to bad of a mount. but what would a weld to the it? Seems like it would melt the rubber

[94ToyBear]

Finally came up with a mount !

I used the left over plate I had from the x member.
Used every bit of it Up, seemed like it was ment to be !

[94ToyBear]

After all these years it's a pretty great felling to have axles, engine And drivetrain all in place!

[dieseldoc]

For the spring eye bushing the yj ones are pushed into the springs so they are not in tube or anythi g when you get them. Thus the ease of welding to the tube.

Mount looks good. Keep up the good work.

[94ToyBear]

With the motor and trans all in place time to go back to the SAS. I need help with this one.....with the full Width D60 it pushed my springs out further than what the yota springs would have been. It's about 2 inches wider on each side. The front I took care of (i hope) with the extention but now the shackels is what I'm having problems with. Take a peek at the pics....what would you do?


Dang pics won't rotate for me. Sorry

[redneck23ms]

the way i see it there are 3 options. the best in my opinion would be to move the shackle mount outboard of the frame/under the fram so that its where it needs to be. this will raise the front end up a little and give you a little less ground clearance in the shackle area. option 2 would be to make some shackles that are bent offset so that the spirng can be in line. looks like you would only have to bend one side of the shackle. option 3 would be to make a spacer for the shackle to hold the bushing in the spring on the one side.

[94ToyBear]

that the same options I cam up with but of course they all have their pros and cons. Option 1 I considered but due that I messed up the first go around and made a hole in the frame where I didn't need to then had to make another one a few inches back from the mess up I am not sure if I cut my self out of (literally) option one as far as frame strength goes. ill post of side pic here soon so you can see what im talking about another thing is I don't think I want to go any higher up right now although it might just help with body clearance..............Option 2 I like the shackle idea, would it cause any binding up if one is straight and one is bent ? Option 3 that's easy and but ill have to get longer bolts and im not sure if that will cause any steering issues ? what your opinions ?:bowdown::bowdown::help::bang::confused:

[The StRanger]

Option #2 with gussets.

[94ToyBear]

Here's an example of the spacer idea and off set shcakels.

[dieseldoc]

X2 on the 2nd option.
It is the best option and I think someone builds a set already.
as for ylour frame issue, it can be repaired with plate judt be sure to plg weld them in a few places.

[94ToyBear]

Things are looking better, I moved the front spring mounts out 1/4 inch on each side. It was not as square as it should have been. Going back together I can see how offset shackles will do the job. I may have to do a combo of spacers to keep the shcakels from hitting the frame and off setting them as well. I used washers and poly bushing for a temporary spacer. Been a long time that I tried to pull an all nighter.....I only lasted till 11 pm :lmao:

Thanks guys for your input on this part I was really scratching my head in it.

[94ToyBear]

I really need to figure out the picture deal ! Sorry. Is there anyway to rotate them on FR side ?

The engine looks small !

[dieseldoc]

lookimg good.
I think the shacklels you showed us will be your best opption.
keep pluggimg away. its comming together well.

[94ToyBear]

Is it normal to fell unaccomplished for getting 24 inches of up travel coming from like 1.5 inches stock ?

It's been 4 years that I was able to flex anything on my Yota.

Today was a good day ! Went wheeling with my friends, and their kids, today was the first time I got my 3 year old son on a trail and I got to play the back yard flexing game too !

[88Toy]

Looks really good, Adam. I think now that you're over this hump things will start moving quickly and I can't wait! Oh and, thanks for creating solutions for the next phase of my own project.

[94ToyBear]

Thanks les ! What do you think you will run in to that my build will help you with ?

[88Toy]

Thanks les ! What do you think you will run in to that my build will help you with ?

Oh, just a silly little 60 of my own...

[94ToyBear]

😊 what front springs are you going to run? Are you keeping them full Width?

[88Toy]

I've got a lot of homework ahead so I don't have a clearcut plan just yet. Ideally, I'd like to narrow down a bit but we'll see. Kinda want to enjoy the summer before dragging out the knife again. Keep up the good work!

[DETN8R]

When the hell did you get those tires!?

[94ToyBear]

Les I'm sure yours is going to be a whoooooole lot better then mine :) you build some really great stuff ?:bowdown::bowdown:

[94ToyBear]

Fred I have had them for over a year now I think. They have internal beadlocks as well

[88Toy]

You're too kind, Adam. Just know that whenever there's an update to this thread, a thousand people can't get there fast enough to see what's new. Keep it coming. We have some runs to make!