Project Grocery Getter (unibody ftw lol)

[Stephen]

I was looking at Dynatrac axles but there are others cheaper, just as good..


True, those are stupid money!

[mattzj98]

Yeah, nothing wrong with your beefed up stock axle.. currie is also on the pricy side but I am considering them.. Dynatrac, maybe once I'm rich just to say I could haha

[mattzj98]

Pete! Build me this!

as simple of a cage as can be and looks like it works

[Mporter]

While your at it, you can do mine too :D

[mattzj98]

my cage first.. i called dibs.. after the cage all i got left are longer fox shocks fron axle wheels and tires and BAM! done! for now

[Brody]

Pete! Build me this!

as simple of a cage as can be and looks like it works

No problem. Let's start with the fender tubing.....

[mattzj98]

Awesome! Piece by piece works for me!

[Stephen]

Yeah, nothing wrong with your beefed up stock axle...

Yeah, sorta, but what if I want bigger tires?

:D


Pete! Build me this!

as simple of a cage as can be and looks like it works

DO IT!!!

[mattzj98]

That's the plan, I guess we will get it done in sections, tubes around fenders (need to trim first) and then we will be tieing those together.

[Funrover]

Cage time, why the EXO over the internal cage?

[mattzj98]

A few reasons.. I'm a big guy, I bought a ZJ over any other jeep for inside room and comfort.. cage would take that away.. also, my body is my frame, so I don't wanna mess up the unibody so I need it outside

[Funrover]

Fair enough, I go back and forth on which I would prefer. The inside space is nice to keep no doubt!

[mattzj98]

Plus, its time to whoop carnage's ass =P

[Funrover]

Now there is the reason I was waiting to read hahaha

[mattzj98]

haha for sure

[Brody]

also, my body is my frame

That sounds so Zen like....and so much like you....I am now inspired to get the feng shui more aligned on my rig, thus creating a more harmonious blend of positive forces to better allow me to commune with nature...

[Beefy]

also, my body is my frame

That sounds so Zen like....and so much like you....I am now inspired to get the feng shui more aligned on my rig, thus creating a more harmonious blend of positive forces to better allow me to commune with nature...

I just puked. :lmao:

[mattzj98]

Hey! Rule number 1! No getting off track! Oh, who am I kidding.. lmao

[skfnick]

also, my body is my frame

That sounds so Zen like....and so much like you....I am now inspired to get the feng shui more aligned on my rig, thus creating a more harmonious blend of positive forces to better allow me to commune with nature...


O.K. Mr. Sensitivity!:lmao:

[Brody]

I just puked.

I am trying for a new ME.....I guess I am not doing too well, am I?


O.K. Mr. Sensitivity!

You aren't funny, either! Keith was by yesterday (with a friend of his who turns out to be a neighbor) to drop off the radio for Clint. We talk for a bit and as they are leaving, he says "Enjoy your Twilight books!" He wasn't as funny as he thought, also. Of course, I had no real recourse as the first Twilight book that Robyn loaned to LaDawn was prominently displayed right next to my computer as a reminder that it needed to go back to Robyn...Seriously.....:lmao::lmao:

[mattzj98]

Its usually on track lol, I try to build a jeep lol

[CodeXJ]

I bet the exo will be sick, to bad it won't be on the roads that much longer tormenting all the little cars and blinding their asses. I say you should go get 2.5 ton rockwells!!! or or or... Dynatrac has a brand new axle out... It's called the DANA 80. suppose to take the place of a rockwell to an extent. It's super beefy. :D

[mattzj98]

Dana 60 will cut it for me haha

[CodeXJ]

I was just joking about the rockwell, you don't need that tooooo small. this is what you need matt :D

[mattzj98]

oohhh thats beautiful!

[Brody]

It's called the DANA 80. suppose to take the place of a Rockwell to an extent. It's super beefy.

And at $7-8k well within everybody's budget, too. You forgot to mention that little bit of info....I paid less for my whole ******* rig....sans any upgrades, of course...

[mattzj98]

Lol 8k isn't too bad.. Pete, I think u have way more in urs

[Brody]

Ha...I have a spool in the V6 rear, stock shafts and 5.29s. I have a 2000 Taco rear axle with an ARB, stock shafts and 5.29s that I paid $650 for. Biggest axle expense has been the Longfields and ARB in the front and I am still quite a bit under $2000. I can't see justifying $7-8k for an axle on what amounts to a toy.

You also have to account for the weight factor somewhere. Compare:

Front axle


Zuk = 165
Toyota = 220
Dana 30 tj = 230
Spider 9 = 325
Diamond toy = 350
Camo’s 60 =355
Dana 44 60wms = 386

609 = 400-450 depending on wall size and inner c’s
Dana 44 full width = 450
Dana 60 ford = 485
Dana 60 chevy = 525
Volvo = 600
Mog 404 =600
Mog 406 = 650
Rockwell w/o drums and narrowed = 662
Rockwell w/o drums = 682
U1300 = 710
rockwell w/ drums = 842lbs

toy housing = 50
Diamond 609 w/ .25 wall chromo and stock 60 inner C's = 68
Diamond 609 w/ .375 wall dom with Dedenbear inners = 100
dana 60 housing = 160


Rear axle

Zuk = 130
Toyota = 150
Dana 44 tj = 150
Camo’s 60 =225
Ford 9 =225
Dana 44 fw = 250
Dana 60 =300
Corp 14sf 3/4 ton version w/ disc = 375
Corp 14sf 3/4 ton w/ drums = 420
Corp 14ff w/disc = 475
Dana 70hd =480
Dana 80 = 505
Rockwell w/o drums = 532
Corp 14ff = 550
Mog 404 = 550
Mog 406 = 620
rockwell stock = 692

You not only have to allow for adding a shitpot of weight and have the additional power and gearing to turn the damn things, but you also have to keep in mind what you are attaching it to. A unibody style frame/body like the Cherokee and Grands, in my mind, simply doesn't have the strength to attach a big axle to. You would have to build almost a complete sub frame to handle a Dana 70, Dana 80 or Rockwell, whether you plan on using them in the front or rear and if you get to that point, then you may as well start a new build with something that actually has separate frame and body to begin with, like a 70s era 3/4 ton.

[mattzj98]

Defitely keeping a zj, not going bigger than a dana 60 lol

[mattzj98]

went to a buddy's place and he got me some sweet gauges for pretty cheap! :) also made my jeep look like a little toy with his truck haha

[Heather]

Looks great!

[CodeXJ]

yup, now he is my twin. :P Except mine light up blue instead of green :lmao:

[Popsgarage]

The white gauges look pretty sweet, Matt. Does it make them any easier to see at night?

[mattzj98]

They were never really hard to see at night so I guess its just different and "cooler" than stock.. really I didn't mean to change them, this guy just happened to have those so I figured might as well

[Popsgarage]

Let me know how you like 'em over the next couple weeks.

[mattzj98]

Will do for sure.. I'm stoked about the exo cage starting soon

[glacierpaul]

Matt the pic by the truck shows us just how killer your Jeep is! BTW, that is a killer Ford!

[mattzj98]

the Ford is an F350 and I can't remember if he has 37 or 38 and either 4 or 6 inch lift so it's pretty damn big.. I love the stacks too... it really feels like driving a semi truck lol

[Brody]

Matt the pic by the truck shows us just how killer your Jeep is! BTW, that is a killer Ford!

Keep the Jeep. You can at least use on a lot of trails. Not too sure what the Ford would be good for in this state, stacks or not....

[mattzj98]

Lol not planning on trading but the ford doesnt do trails. It only gets used to haul dirt bike and such

[Brody]

Lot of $$ to toss into a road truck....Probably not a big deal if you have $$ to waste.

Just my:2c:

[mattzj98]

Is this too much?? he fits 40s.. i want 38 or 39s but also want some flex.. im thinking maybe this much but a bit cleaner?

[glacierpaul]

Matt the pic by the truck shows us just how killer your Jeep is! BTW, that is a killer Ford!

Keep the Jeep. You can at least use on a lot of trails. Not too sure what the Ford would be good for in this state, stacks or not....
Well my Ford has done some trails, my area, Mt. Blanca Rd or Lake Como Rd., Medano Primitive Pass and has also recovered many rigs:) It has also been a great work truck, family hauler and travel trailer puller. (Pete, you can attest, it is also a great parts hauler:lmao:)
Being able to do multi point turn arounds is crutial as well as getting pin stripes.......almost forgot, be ready to spend a lot keeping a huge diesel truck going:).

[Brody]

Here are some more exo cage shots. You are going to have to get back to me with pictures, drawings or something that I can base a design/estimate off of, even if it is "I like the way this guy did this cage, but want to change this part". Do what Matt did and draw something up in Paint

[Popsgarage]

The one on the bottom is nice and clean, Matt!

[mattzj98]

yeah that's basically what i want! :) but i'll do the whole drawing I guess too :)

[mattzj98]

I finally got to screw around with the license plate bracket.. I just installed a light to make it more legal.. Pretty proud of myself :P

Thanks Pete, top notch work like always!

[Popsgarage]

Not to bad, Matt! Nice and bright! Of course you don't really need a light by the wheel. Damn green glows in the dark!

[mattzj98]

I havent been bothered by the authorities yet but why give them reason.. i figured i'd help the glow.. :) and thanks!

[Popsgarage]

No problemo, little brother.

[CodeXJ]

It's the Green Hornet in Jeep form XD! I wonder how much the exo weighs down the jeep after it's on?

[Popsgarage]

Only as much as the tubing weighs.

[mattzj98]

Hey Jon, I stil need to swing by so we can figure out the center console thing..

[Popsgarage]

How about next weekend. Sounds like I'll be in Aspen next week and this weekend I'm booked pretty solid, but I should have time next weekend. I'll keep you posted and you keep reminding me.

[mattzj98]

haha im in aspen for the Xgames this weekend (and glenwood springs later) but week after that i think im free

[Popsgarage]

Yeah, we were supposed to start up there this week, but the hotels were booked the hell up. Have fun and get some good pictures!!!!!

[mattzj98]

haha i'll see what I can do :)

[Popsgarage]

Stay out of trouble!!!:D:D:D

[Brody]

It's the Green Hornet in Jeep form XD! I wonder how much the exo weighs down the jeep after it's on?

Use the chart that Sean posted in the TECH section (Calculating the weight of steel). Figure around 140-160 feet of 1/8" 1 3/4" DOM and you will have a good idea. It is also very equally distributed.

I haven't noticed much difference in the performance and handling of my heap from before and after I put the exo on. The three things I noticed most were that I don't worry to damn much when I hear metal crunching in tight spots on the trail, if it flops, I lose a $5 side mirror, and changing lanes is so much easier especially when someone doesn't want to let you in, turn signal or not. Oh....in parking lots, when someone slams their door into your rig, it is their car that gets all the damage.....

[mattzj98]

Haha awesome!

[mattzj98]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJnzwpaGBc&feature=related

[mattzj98]

Found a few vids of 4wheeling on Big Momma Hill on left hand canyon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXXsxAbaVbs&feature=related

[Brody]

That looks suspiciously like a burly German guy I know who thinks he has a sense of humor and the skinny Scrat looking dude who also thinks he has one. I would advise people to stay far away from these blokes if you happen to see them on the trail. They are nothing but a bunch of brutal trouble looking for place to happen.

You have been warned!

Thanks for the videos, Matt!

I hope you don't mind me giving the nice people on the forum fair warning....:D

[mattzj98]

No, no, I think it is only fair to warn them! :)

[Popsgarage]

Havin' any fun up there, Matt???

[mattzj98]

so i finally got to test out my winch I pulled out a crap ton of vehicles from ditches including a stolen one!

[Rob]

ton of vehicles from ditches including a stolen one!

A stolen ditch? :lmao:

[mattzj98]

ton of vehicles from ditches including a stolen one!

couldnt be much clearer lol

[Stephen]

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/18494-1/Whale+Whale+Whale.jpg

[mattzj98]

Lmfao Stephen!

So, the search for a Dana 60 has officially began! Any input on lockers? ARB? OX? Electric?

[mattzj98]

OK, got really bad news from High Country Performance 4x4 today.

Transfer case is going bad, it will be warrantied and not an issue. There are lots of other issues apparently though.
to get to the tcase they need to cut all sorts of welds and unbolt my front axle (all is hooked up to crossmember / skid) that in itself is going to run me about 600 bucks (From what I heard so far) say I pay that, I get my tcase fixed and front end properly mounted up.. there are a number of other issues that need to be addressed.

front drive shaft can hardly take the abuse of the angles and it's toastin my CV, not good.
my track bar needs to go up at least 4 inches cause it at too much of an angle..
my rear control arm brackets are missing a bolt (apparently, even though I used every bolt that came in the hardware kit:confused: ) because of the missing bolt, the brackets have play, and they are tearing up my subframe which is tin metal. I also have had no brakes for a while because somehow my brake booster went out the day I got my jeep back from brakes plus from bleeding them.. (weird huh?) oh and the tcase mount is most likely shot anyway. needs replaced.

Heres my train of thought: Sell that piece of crap and get a big truck to go to the mall every weekend..

no, F that.

I'm thinking a Dana 60 front end will HAVE to have aftermarket custom brackets anyway, so my front end is going to be completely different, and angles will be a lot better, hopefully i will get my hands on a high pinion one which will fix the driveshaft issue as well.. BDS warranties their stuff for life, so i might have the brrackets warrantied (exchanged) and weld them on in the first place so that they cant tear out..

while HCP4x4 fixes the tcase, I will ask them to slap in the new tcase mount and once again, weld in the front skid / crossmember so its solid and in place.. Brake booster, 50 dollar part that I hope I can fix myself when its warm out..

long story short:
Needs to be done: (on top of having HCP do the Tcase)
tcase mount
control arm brackets
dana 60 (therefore fixing a lot of issues)
brake booster..

Any Thoughts? I really don't wanna see the Jeep go but i'm at a point where I could just walk away from it and cut my losses. but then I will probably regret it for the rest of my life.

[Hypoid]

Starting over is not a benefit unless the unibody is trashed. Get the subframe plated and bolt that skid/crossmember to the heavier steel.

With a new axle comes new steering. :)

You let Brakes Plus touch your equipment...WHY??? :mad:

[Chris]

Sell it to Scrat! I hear he likes to buy stuff that needs a lot of work! :rolleyes:

Seriously Matt, do an accurate calculation of the costs ahead and think about what you like a don't like about your truck. Would you do anything differently? What would it cost starting from scratch?

[shadyjk]

Easy fix for the rear: Get new brackets. Plate the "frame" and modify the bracets to fit on the plate.

Make the plates as long as possible, the correct shape to be welded onto a frame, drill holes in it , and weld it 1 inch on/1 off, and fill the holes. Then fit the brackets and weld them on.

For the axle, this is more complicated. You need to do it all at once and do IT RIGHT. Do the steering at the same time. This way you will correct the roll center-this will add some understeer and make the vehicle safer to drive-and alllow you to raise the draglink/trackbar mount to correct the steering angles. This will require a custom trackbar mount. I would use an aftermarket knuckle like Crane/Reid on the PS side. This will allow for a crossover setup and correct the draglink angle.

As for the drive shaft you have 2 options. Lower the entire drivtrain or lower the vehicle.

Good Luck!

[Fordguy77]

As for the drive shaft you have 2 options. Lower the entire drivtrain or lower the vehicle.

3, if your willing to cut and turn the axle housing. To properly do a SOA on Scouts and FJ60s and a few other rigs, this is pretty much the only way to get the pinion angle right.

[mattzj98]

What would it cost starting from scratch? Chris, this Jeep IS my starting from scratch.. and adding up the amount of money sunk in this pos makes my head spin. I wouldn't have done much differently, I was just aware that eventually I would need a bigger beefier axle front and back.. I guess this is the time.

You let Brakes Plus touch your equipment...WHY??? It was a while back, I had no time (work and school) and they were the only people open and near my work to take it in and do it before im off work. also charged 85 bucks to do :(

No need to sell, we have a date with Carnage!

You were going to get a dana 60 anyway, just sounds like it'll be sooner than you expected.
That we do, I guess ill dish out for the 60

ever see another Grand as built as yours?
no, never. not unless you're talking cut to **** and turned buggy.. i've seen those. the whole point for me is to have this nice big and comfortable grand cherokee.. so no, havent seen one as built haha good point


Sell it to Scrat! I hear he likes to buy stuff that needs a lot of work!
he wouldn't know what to do with it. I would hate to see it parked outside a mall :P JK!

[mattzj98]

Get new brackets.
Done, thanks to You.
Plate the "frame" and modify the bracets to fit on the plate.

ill do my best to figure that one out

do IT RIGHT
wouldnt have it any other way.
As for the drive shaft you have 2 options. Lower the entire drivtrain or lower the vehicle.


the 60 being high pinion should achieve the same thing as the drivetrain being lowered right? plus I might go down an inch or two since im cutting fenders for clearance anyway

[Fordguy77]

http://www.tntcustoms.com/JeepcherokeeXJZJuni-bodystiffeners-2.aspx

[mattzj98]

Yeah I looked at that already as well, thanks Chris!
I am now also considering running a full width 44 high pinion instead of 60 since its so hard to find a right one and also a bit cheaper with a 44 and with chromolys should handle 37s or 38s

[Hypoid]

I am now also considering running a full width 44 high pinion
Out of what?

[mattzj98]

ford (without the cast iron wedges) kind of back to where I was half a year ago

[mattzj98]

newer f150

[Hypoid]

Ahhh, I saw a '77 a couple weeks ago: Welded wedges and disc brakes. It was untouched at that point.

I can do a run-through and see what's left, if you like.

[mattzj98]

I'd apreciate it if you could scout for me! anything that can get aftermarket brackets welded onto.. oh and disc brakes.

TIA!

[Brody]

I was at Colorado Auto parts day before yesterday and there were at least 3 older Ford trucks with the Dana 44s

[Hypoid]

That's good to know Pete! How much do they get for an axle assembly with the brakes?

As a side note, most of these axles go to the crusher. Everybody wants to build a D-60.

[mattzj98]

That's good to know Pete! How much do they get for an axle assembly with the brakes?

As a side note, most of these axles go to the crusher. Everybody wants to build a D-60.
This is why I think I have more of a chance with a full width built 44 =) and thanks Pete!

[Heather]

(Matt, your current avatar is really depressing)

[RockyMtnHigh]

(Matt, your current avatar is really depressing)

Should I help him out with that? :lmao:

[RockyMtnHigh]

YES!

Better? :lmao:

[Heather]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[mattzj98]

YOU GUYSS!!!!

[Popsgarage]

Here you go Matt.

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/drivetrain/154_1004_next_gen_jeep_wrangler_tj_dana_44_mopar_a xles/index.html

[Brody]

That's good to know Pete! How much do they get for an axle assembly with the brakes?

As a side note, most of these axles go to the crusher. Everybody wants to build a D-60.

I think it is about what Pull and Pay charges: $125 for drum to drum and $150 disc to disc.

[mattzj98]

I wish those Dana 60s cost same haha

[Brody]

Price them at a junkyard. Last Dana 60 I priced at Pull and Pay was $150. Western Auto had one for $160.....You need to go to a junkyard...

[Hypoid]

I ran through LKQ-Western last night, the axle was gone from the '77. There was a '73 (drum brakes) and a '79 there, both are half ton trucks. Taking the time to swap knuckles would get the desired result, and let you inspect the spindles and shafts before buying it. That is a lot of brain damage if there is a complete asembly somewhere else, but still, check the spindles for wear and neglect.

Price is much the same as other yards, around $150 to get out the door.

[Hypoid]

Price them at a junkyard. Last Dana 60 I priced at Pull and Pay was $150. Western Auto had one for $160.....You need to go to a junkyard...Yup, an axle assembly is an axle assembly. The only way to find that golden nugget is to be there when they set it out.

[Heather]

damn, game on! thanks guys

[mattzj98]

^ that was me posting from Heather's profile by accident haha

[Brody]

So, according to the FaceSmook post, you are now getting rid of the Jeep??? That's the way it reads....

[Stephen]

Your avatar looks like a professional photoshoot! Wow, I even see what is possibly a male model?!?! Why would you think about selling your rig now, after that photo spread with included beefcake?!?!

[mattzj98]

Pete, I was talking about Chris' Jeep on facesmook..

Stephen, LMFAO, I figured you'd notice me in the driver seat! =)

[Popsgarage]

Oh, you little sunama,,,,,, I thought you were selling it as well.

[mattzj98]

haha sorry man!

[Popsgarage]

Here's some unit body stiffeners Matt. Problem is you have to unbolt the suspension to get them underneath the long arm mounts for it to be done correctly. Much stronger than the T & T stiffeners and spreads the welded load much better.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/graphics/00000001/xj%20reinforcement.jpg

[mattzj98]

See,.mounts are coming out anyway because I am replacing them.. so it all works out! =)

[Stephen]

Pete, I was talking about Chris' Jeep on facesmook..

Stephen, LMFAO, I figured you'd notice me in the driver seat! =)

I was talking about that sexy mofo standing on the rocks to the right! But, now that you mention it, it does look like I see a little "Blue Steel' behind the wheel!

:D

[mattzj98]

whats a blue steel?

[Brody]

X2 on the 'blue steel'??

Sorry Stephen....I just now noticed the 'male model'....I thought it was some sort of depraved looking forest gnome or something sticking it's head out to see what the ruckus was....

[Stephen]

X2 on the 'blue steel'??

Sorry Stephen....I just now noticed the 'male model'....I thought it was some sort of depraved looking forest gnome or something sticking it's head out to see what the ruckus was....

:frown:

Blue Steel is a pose created by international male model, Derek Zoolander. I can kinda sorta see Matt pulling it off through the windshield! :lmao:

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Tyronekauai/Zoolander.jpg

[Popsgarage]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:Stephen, you're killin' me man!!!

[Alpine Spirit]

Nice setup :thunb:

[mattzj98]

Thanks. It will be much nicer once exo cage and locked full widths get done in a couple weeks :)

[Hypoid]

Hmmmmmm: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1079008

I'd ask about those knuckles he had machined, make sure they were made for milling and drilling.

[mattzj98]

Ohhh might just grab the whole axle! Thanks Mike! Ill be giving him a call later

[Cr33p3r]

Matt, Mike just asked me to mention to you to have the guy meet you at High Country and have them to look it over with you.

[mattzj98]

Do any of you kno
w him? I can't get a hold of him..

[mattzj98]

Nvm, got ahold of the guy, meeting up this week, haven't set time yet. Hopefully I leave with the axle =)

[Popsgarage]

WooooHoooooo!!!!!!!! Giterdun Matt!!!!

[mattzj98]

Going up to conifer, cash in hand! Wish me luck? =D the guy is trying not to include the 1ton steering..

I'm thinking one ton steering!! =P

[Hypoid]

Good luck!

Price out the component cost to build what he's selling. If he's keeping the high steer arms, counter-offer accordingly.

As for the rest of the steering, start with a clean slate. :)

[Cr33p3r]

Matt ask if there is build sheet and receipts for all of it, also what is the lift height and how close would it be to yours and how about the pinion angle and has the knuckles been turned, whats the caster set at is all questions to ask him before you pay anything for it. Better to know now before you end spending after buying it. Just my :2c:.

[mattzj98]

Will be up there tonight with Scrat. as far as lift goes, mines so big that any high pinion high steer stuff will be better than what I have. I will find out everything else later when I'm there. Already know ill need to add a control arm tower

[Hypoid]

Soooooooooooooo, that guy sold his axle tonight.....

[Heather]

Soooooooooooooo, that guy sold his axle tonight.....
:eek:

[mattzj98]

Soooooooooooooo, that guy sold his axle tonight.....

Yeah I know, I was bummed =(

[Hypoid]

Now that guy has his 37s up for sale. :p

[mattzj98]

I know I wanted to grab those too but I want a bit bigger plus they were older style.. I like my KM2s

[mattzj98]

Ok now, no bullshit.

I got a full width high pinion 44, nitro chromoly shafts, big ujoints, warn locking premium hubs, Detroit Locker, TnT Truss, disc brakes, Blue Torch Fab flat top knuckles and brackets for the 3 /4 link, 1 ton steering AND PSC Hydraulic steering assist!!!!


I am so effin stoked!!

[Hypoid]

Lucky dog!!! How much money did he have in the axle build?

[Popsgarage]

Sh!t, Mike, we both know he had Waaaaaayyyyy more into it than he sold it to Matt for!

[mattzj98]

I priced everything on ebay which i assume was cheap for arond6k haha

[Popsgarage]

And what did you end up paying the man, Matt????

[mattzj98]

1860 dollars

[mattzj98]

BUT it does require some work to get it where i want it

[Popsgarage]

Still a damn good deal!

[Popsgarage]

Now all you need is a full width 60 for the rear!

[mattzj98]

I just had my rear end built. it should be as strong as a dana 60.. just need to figure out the width. i can make up for it with rim backspacing i guess. or install the super 88s thing where it makes the tubes 2 inches longer (not spacers) and then with spacers it should be pretty close..


if i break the 8.8 then ill think about a 14 bolt

[Popsgarage]

Dana 60 full floater is gonna be a bit lighter than the 14BFF and should be plenty strong enough.

[mattzj98]

true.. but for now i am very happy with my rear end :)

[Popsgarage]

FYI the 60 is going to weigh in about 50 to 75 pounds less than the 14BFF.

[mattzj98]

cool, thanks Jon. the 44 was soo heavy even with the steering off.. was an excercise in and out of truck

[Popsgarage]

Try it with my Dana 60 front or my 14BFF!!!!!:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[mattzj98]

i thought we did try this one time outside of Petes haha

[Popsgarage]

That was the 10 bolt. Almost the exact same weight as your 44. The Dana 60 front weighs around 500 pounds.

[mattzj98]

Well my 44 having truss and all the big beefy upgraded crapi don't really think was any lighter than 500 lol but ask Scrat, I might be off

[Brody]

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?15459-Weight-List-Engines-Axles-Trannies-Tcases-Tires

Dana 44 Front: 450lbs
Dana 60 Front Ford: 485lbs
Dana 60 Front Chevy: 525lbs

Dana 60 Rear: 300lbs
Corporate 14 : 375-475 depending on inners and outers..

Heavy enough.....

[Popsgarage]

I new that info was on here somewhere. Couldn't find it with that infernal new search feature.:lmao::lmao::lmao: There you go, Matt!

[mattzj98]

So safe to say truss and PSC ram and all the other crap added another 50lbs hehe

[Kory]

Matt you are doing a front 44 or 60?

[mattzj98]

Matt you are doing a front 44 or 60?
1ton 44 (full width), its built like hell!

[Kory]

He's doing a 44 front! I helped carry that *****, so he's going to run it! :D


1ton 44 (full width), its built like hell!

I thought you were doing a 60 for some reason.

[mattzj98]

I was going to but these were really hard to find. Found this one and loved it =) ( Mike found it)

[Fordguy77]

What all is envolved with this swap? are you going to stick with your current long arm kit or you going to swap to something different?

[Popsgarage]

Mostly bolt in. It was previously under an XJ. So it should need very little.

[mattzj98]

It needs an extra control arm tower because it was set up for 3link.. and a couple of bushings..

[Hypoid]

1ton 44 (full width), its built like hell!
Is it five lug nuts or eight lug?

[Popsgarage]

I believe he said it was a 5 on 5.5 pattern.

[mattzj98]

5x5.5 with 1ton knuckles / steering

[Funrover]

5x5.5 with 1ton knuckles / steering

:eek: I like the way you think! Overbuild so it won't break!

[mattzj98]

That's the idea =)

[mattzj98]

Alright, this much closer to having everything fixed!

on my way to Wyoming, to TnT Customs to pick up a lot of misc. mistery parts! so excited!!!!!!

[Hypoid]

Take your time! You don't need to spend build money on speeding tickets. :D

BTW, where are the pictures???

[mattzj98]

Take your time! You don't need to spend build money on speeding tickets. :D

Very good point.. maybe i should take the jeep up there instead of the bimmer haha it easier not to speed.. but the excitement is def. there!

[mattzj98]

Awesome! Don't forget my axle truss and shirt while you are there! :D

would you hush and change your "Current rig" from F150 to your CURRENT RIG? HAHAHA

if there are green TnT shirts, trust me, ill buy them like I buy your underwear..

did i say that out loud?:erm:

[RockyMtnHigh]

if there are green TnT shirts, trust me, ill buy them like I buy your underwear..

did i say that out loud?:erm:

Yes, you did and I quoted it so you can't go back and edit it later! :lmao:

[mattzj98]

Ha! I was never going to edit it in the first place! and btw, you will be seeing my arse a whole lot more now

[RockyMtnHigh]

btw, you will be seeing my arse a whole lot more now

Did you lose your belt again? :confused:

[mattzj98]

NO, I bought lime green underwear and have every reason in the world to show it off hahahaha

[RockyMtnHigh]

NO, I bought lime green underwear and have every reason in the world to show it off hahahaha

http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4532.gif

[mattzj98]

ohh thats just mean! hahaha:shooter::shooter:

[mattzj98]

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[RockyMtnHigh]

also can't deny the fact that he bought me some too!

So...if one of you were snake bit in the wedding tackle (http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?15732-...bitten-on-my-wedding-tackle...), would the other pucker up? :lmao:

[mattzj98]

ure right, im leaving now! :steer::steer:

[RockyMtnHigh]

I think so Jock...right AFTER they removed said Lime Green Underwear!

I know the answer, just wanted one of them to say it, so I could quote it again! :lmao:

[mattzj98]

Is this even appropriate for my build thread???? Eh, screw it, anything goes I guess haha..

I bought brackets, tshirts (for Chris also) and bushings, going to a couple more stores..
Tell you what though, TnT Customs is awesome! The guy there is extremely nice and knowledgable and I saw a few "famous" jeeps in there including the JKS owners jeep.. so sweet! A lot of 43inch tires on JKs as well

[mattzj98]

Parts from Dynatrac (HCP4x4) Check!

Tshirts as promised? Check!

Mistery parts? Check!

Are they green? you bet they are!

[mattzj98]

Just some teaser eye candy!

[RockyMtnHigh]

Is this even appropriate for my build thread????

You started it with the talk of buying Chris panties...um...I mean underwear! :lmao:

[mattzj98]

Well, the Jeep has officially been dropped off for the full width install!!!!!!!

Also, High Country Performance 4x4 saved my ass because of the different bolt pattern, they lent me wheels so i can roll around untill i get tires swapped out to new rims!

[Hypoid]

Sweet!

[mattzj98]

Got the jeep back today, all the goodies went on, steering angles are awesome! No wobble even though alignment is out of whack. The fun part was, I got 35 inch tires in the back.. but 29s up front! =D untill I get the rims swapped tomorrow

[Heather]

Does it look a little like this?

[Chris]

Roller skates!

[mattzj98]

yeah it looks very very ridiculus... the pumpkin is dragging on the pavement

[mattzj98]

New wheels and such.. tires get to be put in tomorrow!

[Hypoid]

Thanks Matt! I just drooled all over my keyboard. :mad:

Just looking at that steering, makes me happy. :p

[mattzj98]

Thanks Matt! I just drooled all over my keyboard. :mad:

Just looking at that steering, makes me happy. :p

Sorry about the drool, hope the computer's ok!

I'm glad you like how it turned out! will post more and better pics today once we install rest of the stuff and get some real tires on it!

The axle was a lot of work (needed a lot of work) but 3 days later I think it was worth it! :)

[TNT]

Beast!!! Looks great!

[Popsgarage]

:pics::pics::pics:

[mattzj98]

Pics coming tonight!

Chris just spent a lot of time cutting my fenders! we got the rims and tires installed, its almost picture ready!!!

[Popsgarage]

'Bout damn time!!!!!!!:lmao::lmao:

[mattzj98]

Chris was checking out the clearance after a long day of cutting!

I prepped and made sure the wheels are nice and green!

[mattzj98]

well, met a friend at a carwash, he said we absolutely had to take a pic with our jeeps haha

i sure do love how that rear end came out

[Rick]

looks good:thumb:

[Kory]

Matt, what size are your tires and wheels this time around?

[Popsgarage]

OK, it's a start, but it's not what I'm looking for. I want to see detailed pics of the axle and the fenders, Dadgum it. More pics please!:D

[mattzj98]

How detailed of pics do you need? What components? Ill post if u tell me what u want haha or u can just come over to Chris' and Heathers and see for yourself!

[mattzj98]

Kory, 39.5 is what I'm looking for right now. 15inch rims still

[Rick]

Im running 39.5 inch pitbull mad dogs; pretty decent tires in my opinion

[Popsgarage]

u can just come over to Chris' and Heathers and see for yourself!

You gonna be there tomorrow????

[Michael4rnr]

Awesome Matt, looks really good!

[mattzj98]

Jon, if weather is ok we will be gone in the AM, if not, might be home. Call Chris in the morning.

[Stephen]

Looks good!

[Brody]

Looking good, Matt!

[mattzj98]

Thanks guys!

[Aaron]

Sweet setup

[Popsgarage]

Lookin' Good Matt!!!:thumb::thumb::thumb:

[mattzj98]

Hey thanks, I might just have to leave the rear axle as it is, since I just had that built.. get conversion to match bolt pattern and runa wider rim with matching backspacing..

[mattzj98]

Haha I think I get ur hint.. ill do it when I get home

[mattzj98]

This was stuck to my driver side wheel, took a while to get it off, but finally succeeded!

[mattzj98]

Yeah it was time.. first time ever, taking a grinder to the sheetmetal.. somewhat getting closer to that exo cage build.. very slowly. I am hoping to clear 40s but will probably settle on 38.5s

Big thanks to Chris (Scrat) for peer pressuring me into cutting ( i did the first cut) and then cutting the actual fenders!

[mattzj98]

more pics from the glorious day

[mattzj98]

Here's the finished product!

[mattzj98]

a visual for some of the parts that are in the front axle, the build wasnt the easiest, because of the truss being so high, everything has changed, the trackbar had to be shortened about 5 inches, custom shock mounts were welded in, and my Pitman arm was Reamed (?) (bored out) to accept my new 1 ton steering joints

[mattzj98]

The PSC Hydro assist still needs to be installed (tabs are already welded on, just need the free time to do so, or have someone do it.)

[Brody]

Looking really nice, Matt. Good to see the progress.

[dannanw]

Thanks for sharing... If you need to get rid of the rear wheel spacers cause of the wheel difference let me know.... And one day I hope to swap full widths too.

[Hypoid]

That is lookin' good Matt!

Now that you have room for bigger tires, are you going to start lowering it?

Were you able to use the truss that came with it, or did you have to replace that?

[mattzj98]

Thanls, I did reuse the.truss but I had to go to t&t customs and pick up some brackets and bushings because they were specific to the truss and I had to modify

[mattzj98]

Mike, ill probably lower it an inch or so and then see how tires fit

[mattzj98]

You and your feelers haha

[Hypoid]

We are going to lower it and put curb feelers on it too!

Like this!
Awesome! My mom had some of those on her car. I remember knocking the snow and ice off them in winter. :)

[Hypoid]

Slackers! :D

[Stephen]

Looking killer, Matt! I'm about to do a PSC ram assist and contemplating a front truss, but it is sleeved and gusseted, so other things first.

[mattzj98]

The PsC does all the work for you, it is soooo awesome, just ask Chris (Scrat)! =D

[Stephen]

The PsC does all the work for you, it is soooo awesome, just ask Chris (Scrat)! =D

I don't have a choice! I knew sooner or later my tires would kill the oem stuff. :D

[Beefy's Girl]

Looking good Matt! Are you still going to add on the Exo Cage or did you scrap that idea?

[mattzj98]

Amanda, Exo Cage is still in plans.. in fact, it's probably next on my list! (as soon as my PSC is hooked up)

[mattzj98]

front end completed (kinda)
and my neighbor HAD to check it out haha

[Rick]

looks great

[Beefy's Girl]

Amanda, Exo Cage is still in plans.. in fact, it's probably next on my list! (as soon as my PSC is hooked up)

Sweet!!! :thumb:

[Brody]

Looking good, Matt! You will love the hydro assist!

You will also have to learn to drive with you fingers just touching the wheel rather than holding onto it....It is pretty responsive.

[mattzj98]

That's what I've been hearing.. I wish there was an ON/OFF switch for that haha

[mattzj98]

Picked up more parts from High Country! Stoked!

[Rick]

You will love the hydro assist! :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[Rick]

Picked up more parts from High Country!
Damn!!!! We need to be friends, I need some stuff too!!!!:D:D:lmao::lmao:

[mattzj98]

Damn!!!! We need to be friends, I need some stuff too!!!!:D:D:lmao::lmao:

Don't be fooled by 28 pages of build thread, it is still mostly a stock grand cherokee

[Rick]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[mattzj98]

Ill try to upload pics soon

[mattzj98]

Its all stock, except for all the aftermarket **** on it! :lmao:
All those rattlecan "upgrades" huh ! L ol

[mattzj98]

Stopped by Bill at Englewood Driveshaft!! my new driveshaft will be ready by monday!!! so excited! :) i will finally have 4wheel drive! i get to test out the front Detroit locker!

[mattzj98]

You know it! Body damage is still a big thing though so I might try to try different route.. we will see

[mattzj98]

Ok if Clutch can do it, I can do it

[mattzj98]

Rocks happen

[Hypoid]

Cages are for the weak! :erm:

Somewhere, there is a picture of this heep, on it's top, with the A-pillars collapsed.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn139/jawa2021/Spring%20Creek%204-11-09/ChinamanGulch069.jpg

Work hard, play hard, break hard...

[Brody]

I am weak. I admit it. I am a total wimp.

I have had roll cages in every 4x4 I have had (tested 'em, too) ever since I endo'd a 77 Ford F 150 (early to mid 80s) without one and had to squeeze out of a very small opening that was all that was left of the cab (If I had had 10 more pounds on either may ass or my belly, I wouldn't have fit and would have had to either cut that off too, or die trying...).....upside down, smelling gas, and after finding my knife to cut my seat belt...in the dark and by myself....

I bet that did absolute wonders for the unibody. I wonder what he stuck the axles on later.,...

[mattzj98]

Picked up more parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!

[mattzj98]

got fender edging, zip ties (lol yes i need them bad!) BRAKE BOOSTER (Woot!) and contral arm brackets from BDS-Suspensions (hcp4x4)