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Jackie
November 18th, 2011, 12:11 AM
I know a lot of us live in or near Arvada and a lot of us have young children. I received the following email from the Jefferson County School Board today. (It really doesn't matter where you live - just BE AWARE and look out for the kids in your neighborhood). Here is what the message said:

Dear Parents,
This message is from Jeffco Public Schools, sent on behalf of your child’s principal. We want to let you know there have been several incidents in the Arvada area involving the possible abduction of children and indecent exposure within the last ten days. The incidents have not occurred on school property or during the school day. Arvada Police were notified about each incident and are investigating.

The following information has been provided by the Arvada Police and can also be found on their website, http://arvadapd.org/ (http://arvadapd.org/):

Attempt Child Abduction Incidents
<LI style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" class=MsoNormal>On Saturday, November 12, 2011, just after 3:00 p.m. in the area of Danny Kendrick Park (7000 Ward Road) and the Apex Recreation Center. Arvada Police were called to the area on a report of an attempted child abduction. A 12-year-old Arvada girl was playing with a friend and her dog when a man jumped out of the bushes at her and grabbed a hold of the victim. She was able to break free by kicking the suspect and ran home to alert her family. The suspect in the incident is described as a white male in his 40s or 50s with salt-and-pepper colored hair. He was wearing a long-sleeved white t-shirt and blue athletic shorts.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, just after 8:00 p.m., a 6-year-old child was contacted by a man as she sat in a lounge area of the YMCA located at 6350 Eldridge Street. The suspect asked her to help him find his bike, and the young girl left the building with him. As she exited the building, the suspect placed a hand over her mouth; however, the girl was able to push it away and run back inside the building to her parents. The victim provided some details about the suspect including the man was possibly wearing a camouflage jacket and pants and had hair stubble on his face. The suspect may indeed be riding a bike.
Indecent Exposure

On Friday, November 4, 2011, three 12-year-old girls were playing outside in the area of 69th and Robb Street when a man driving a grayish sedan approached the girls and exposed and touched himself in their presence. He is described as a white male in his 50s with salt-and-pepper hair. He may have a receding hairline and a large belly.
Suspicious Incident

On Monday, November 14, 2011, Arvada Police were alerted to an incident occurring near 77th and Parfet Street in the evening hours. A 15-year-old girl was contacted by a man driving a silver or white four door car who began asking her for directions. The man became more persistent and asked the teen to help him find a location. She became concerned and ran to her home. Due to darkness the girl could not provide a detailed description other than to say the suspect had an older sounding voice.

Police have increased patrols in the affected areas and are working to obtain any possible surveillance video that may have been captured at the time of the various incidents.
We want you to know that student safety is always our top priority and these incidents remind us that it’s always important to talk with your child about the importance of possible dangerous situations.
There are steps parents can take to help protect their children, several of which are:
<LI style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" class=MsoNormal>Tell children someone intending harm will say anything or do anything to get their attention (I’m hurt; I lost my dog, etc.) <LI style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" class=MsoNormal>Tell children an adult will never ask a child for directions. <LI style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" class=MsoNormal>If grabbed, a child should always kick and scream and make every attempt to get away.
A child should always trust their instincts. If something doesn’t feel right it’s probably not.

An outstanding resource is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. The site is full of information to arm families with critical safety information. www.missingkids.com (http://www.missingkids.com/).

Detectives and officers are following all leads that have been generated in this case and are asking for the public’s help in generating new leads. Anyone who was in the above mentioned areas around the times of the reported incidents and may have observed someone matching the descriptions above is asked to contact the Arvada Police Department at 720-898-6900. School Resource Officers will be working with their school communities in an effort to continue to relay important awareness information to students.

If you have questions, please don’t hesitate to call your child’s school to speak with the principal.
Thank you.

mattzj98
November 18th, 2011, 12:43 AM
Gotta be careful these days. Can't imagine what it's like for those who actually have kids..

Eskimo
November 18th, 2011, 02:32 AM
I don't always go on Facebook but if you "Like" "Arvada Police Department, Colorado" that information will be posted also as will other alerts or happenings for the public like tree branches from on of the early wet snow stores FYI

RockyMtnHigh
November 18th, 2011, 02:47 AM
I don't have kids, but please let me catch this guy / guys doing that in my neighborhood. :mad:

Brody
November 18th, 2011, 05:53 AM
I don't have kids, but please let me catch this guy / guys doing that in my neighborhood.

Ditto. That **** is 'heads on stakes as a little warning' stuff.

Brad
November 18th, 2011, 06:12 AM
Thanks for the heads up, I am always looking for suspicios behavior when taking Neil to school.

I will second Jock and Brody's comments.

glacierpaul
November 18th, 2011, 06:54 AM
Better hope I never see this kind of thing happening, I will commit a "crime of passion" to the perp, i.e, no longer need the justice system. This is one of the first things we taught our kids, everyone is a potential monster, especially people "who need help"(from a child). My boy and girl sure no how to scream, loud "help" and/or "fire", and they know some self defense. But, we never allow our kids (7 and 3 years of age) to be out of our sight, period. We are the parents who play at the playgrounds with our kids, and other kids, while most all of the other kids parents are not even paying attention. Home schooling eliminates this potential too. But I am always on the lookout for any "weirdness" when we are out and about. I would kill, to protect a child, plain and simple, anywhere and anytime.
On a side, living in the mountains, some of the folks up here ask us if we are afraid of the bears or cats and such, to which I say, no the 2 legged animal is what worries us the most, and why we carry.;)
Thanks for the post Jackie.

Brody
November 18th, 2011, 07:17 AM
And you have those nice hidden mine shafts around that have been used before to dispose of predators like that. Cops don't look to damn hard when a known sex offender or pedophile goes 'missing'. I am still in favor of the 'heads on stakes' for this stuff. You drive into some city/town and there are a bunch of decaying heads on stakes by the side of the road with 'pedophile' or 'child molester' signs nailed to their foreheads, this kinda crap goes away, I'll bet.

Pet peeve of mine as these people get very reduced sentences and are usually back into the population within a year, having been 'rehabilitated'. 'Rehabilitated', my ass. People like that have already gone beyond the boundaries of what constitutes 'human' and don't deserve to be treated as such...They have something in their most basic wiring that simply isn't fixable.

glacierpaul
November 18th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Agreed Pete! That behavior is not human, and they should not be allowed to live. I always say, we put down dogs for far less.

RockyMtnHigh
November 18th, 2011, 07:40 AM
And you have those nice hidden mine shafts around that have been used before to dispose of predators like that.

Why go through the trouble of driving up to one of those? Pick one of the many Forest Service out houses not being used / cleaned much during the winter months and throw his ass in there. Seems fitting to me and by the time they find him the bacteria would have just about devoured him. Any foul smell would be assumed to be the smell of feces and urine. Looking for any DNA evidence would be impossible since hundreds of people use them during the season.

Honestly though, I would just drag his ass into the local PD and I mean by a rope tied to the bumper of my truck. A mile or so of 10 mph driving, I imagine it would be hard for him to stay on his feet. :thumb:

Brody
November 18th, 2011, 07:52 AM
I always say, we put down dogs for far less.

Hell, even animals don't tolerate behavior that goes beyond boundaries in their own pack...and they aren't considered smart. I hate the touchy/feely crap where some people think that you can 'talk' or 'reason' or 'fix' everyone. There are people around who can't be 'reasoned with' or fixed.

Kory
November 18th, 2011, 08:27 AM
A good reason to carry a firearm if you legally can.

Heather
November 18th, 2011, 08:48 AM
I told Chris last night when it was on the news, "Just wait till someone gets their hands on this guy." x2 on the CCW. I have mine, but never carry. Need to get something smaller. And, even though boys aren't exempt, this is another reason why I'm glad I have two sons...I hope they catch this piece of crap TODAY.

Funrover
November 18th, 2011, 09:26 AM
Thanks, I will thell my sister who lives there!

Jackie
November 18th, 2011, 11:22 AM
My little one (7) is not allowed out the door without me or Britton with her. We take her everywhere and never turn our backs until she is attended by a trusted adult (ie: the teachers at school). You can't be too careful anymore. I remember as a kid, I'd go out to play in the morning and my mom would say "don't be late for supper". I'd be gone all day.

Those days are gone. I pitty the fool who messes with my kids (or any others I might witness). I'd end up in jail for life - but it would be worth it.

4runner freak
November 18th, 2011, 11:45 AM
A good reason to carry a firearm if you legally can.
:thumb:



I told Chris last night when it was on the news, "Just wait till someone gets their hands on this guy." x2 on the CCW. I have mine, but never carry. Need to get something smaller. And, even though boys aren't exempt, this is another reason why I'm glad I have two sons...I hope they catch this piece of crap TODAY.

Heather,
Let me know if you want to come over sometime, and you can check out my wife's Taurus TCP 380 or Colt Government 380.
My wife has VERY small hands and she can shoot both of these (Held Correctly).
If your hands are a little bigger than her's, I would recommend a Khar PM9(Single stack 9mm and HIGH quality)
My wife took a CCW class this summer, but I haven't talked her into getting her license yet.

Chris
November 18th, 2011, 12:04 PM
I'd be gone all day.
Those days are gone.

Just need to mention that those days held the same risks as exist today, news reporting has changed so we are more aware of it. Really, ask any old person that can be honest and they'll agree. I had conversations with my mother and she was quick to tell me that pervs were plentiful when she was a kid.

I'm not saying this to change the cautions that everyone needs to take, just trying to be honest about the way things are. As a former Mr. Mom I am very aware of watching over my kids when they were young, same goes for my grand kids now.

BTW, some 20+ years ago I got a letter from the MN Bureau of Investigation telling me my kids names and address were found on the computer of a pedophile inmate - how's that for scary!

Jackie
November 18th, 2011, 12:25 PM
I got a letter from the MN Bureau of Investigation telling me my kids names and address were found on the computer of a pedophile inmate - how's that for scary!
HOLY SH!T. I'd be packing and moving to another planet.

I know things were dangerous back when we were kids too. I recall being "flashed" several times and being followed on one occassion. When I told my parents, they just said "stay away from the creeps". As a child, I thought they were just flashing. I never even guessed that their intentions might be worse. (Sex was not an issue my parents would discuss with us kids - even if it was to protect us from it). Young minds don't generally wander down the ugly road, but we need warn them about how ugly it can get.

Chris
November 18th, 2011, 12:43 PM
I agree Jackie, parents must talk to their kids about the creepy people.

The only thing in 38 years of marriage I never told Barb about was that letter. She was very over-protective and would have been a wreck and been even worse if that was possible. I did tell her when talking to our daughter about such crap just a few years ago. At the time I was a pretty high profile father and frequently had newspaper coverage. I determined the source of the pedophile's information was from a front page "lifestyle" article on Father's Day complete with photo of me with my kids.

Yeah, I never imagined that would happen but became more cautious afterwards.

Popsgarage
November 18th, 2011, 07:40 PM
please let me catch this guy / guys doing that in my neighborhood.

He'd better hope I don't catch him before the police do. Got this message from A-West the other day. Some sick, twisted people out there.

Pathrat
November 19th, 2011, 11:14 PM
I got this letter, the phone call and read all the articles on the online news outlet sites. I have warned Scout and asked her to warn her friends as well. When both of my kids were younger, I taught them never to go with anyone they didn't know ever. I told them it does not matter if he has a gun or a knife, you fight and kick and scream where people will here you. Otherwise, if you go, that person will use that gun or knife on you someplace where no one can help you. Harsh yes, but it is a harsh reality and my message sunk in.
I don't have anything to add about what to do with perps, molesters, etc like this. Everyone else has already covered it. No fuss, just a bullet to the head out behind the shed.

glacierpaul
November 20th, 2011, 07:24 AM
Just wanted to bring up a couple things about CCW and guns. For women, I suggest only revolver pistols, they always fire, no matter how scared or angry you are, auto's can stovepipe rendering you a victim, just my 2 cents. The CCW, just a heads up, if you have a medical marijuana permit you cannot hold both without becoming a felon, even some "medications" prescribed to you hold the same weight, the authorities are still working this out, but Federal law says you would be a felon. The 2nd Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms, the CCW permit violates this right, just saying.... you can go on a list or not. Taking the classes should be mandatory though, and I highly recommend it.

Brody
November 20th, 2011, 08:48 AM
What Paul said about revolvers. Very basic, very simple and total KISS principle. Pull the trigger=bang. Why I have a revolver for back country and home stuff.

Not that I have anything really against auto loaders...I have owned a mess of them of all different makes and have shot way more automatics than I have owned. Most of them have jammed at one time or another, too.

pancake
November 20th, 2011, 09:54 AM
My wife and I go to the Apex in Arvada where this first happened. Our Neighborhood watch group was alerted right away. This is a sketch of the person. I would love to catch someone like this :shooter:

Brody
November 20th, 2011, 10:18 AM
Slightly better picture with another that reflects what all of us feel would simply be a 'good thing' and a little more description.

The suspect is described as a white man, in his 50s to 60s, with salt-and-pepper-colored hair. He has a wrinkled face and a potbelly, according to witnesses. He is between 5 feet, 5 inches to 6 feet tall and weighs approximately 230 pounds. He may be associated with a grayish sedan and possibly a blue mountain bike, police said.

Popsgarage
November 20th, 2011, 09:30 PM
AMEN Pete!!!:thumb: