Carnage Canyon

[mattzj98]

Well, it's official, we are running Carnage Canyon AFTER running Chinaman Gulch. That way we get a day of wheeling before we go and break down ! ( Nothing like that to be expected, just body damage)

We may or may not stay over night in BV depending on how long chinaman takes. Worst case scenario we get going and camp over night till the sun is out :)

Either way, going to be a fun day or two. It will be a true test for mine and a few of the new rigs on here that need some a$$ whoopin! :)

See you guys on the trail! :)


TrailDamage : http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=178


Note: expect to get damaged, need a winch and minimum of 35s to get past. Bring plenty of water and some gear to stay over night if neccessery. Trailers and some extra cash recommended!

[mattzj98]

I still have your green diapers.. bringing those

[mattzj98]

Heather, need peer pressure???? :P I can take care of that!

[Heather]

Heather, need peer pressure???? :P I can take care of that!
Ha! You are quite good at that. I think I'll better serve the group as a photographer/video person, rather than a screaming wussie, yes? :lmao:

[mattzj98]

Thanks for bringing my diapers....I'll be able to use them to wipe your eyes after you bounce off a rock and scartch the grocery getter.


I am afraid to put a scratch on it.. I am afraid that next time I pull up to Park Meadows or Cherry Creek mall, people won't believe that I call those parking lots "home"

Glad you have a buffer




rofl

[mattzj98]

photographer/video person, rather than a screaming wussie, yes


you did fine last time.. Cassie was having a blast on the Entrance haha u'd be ok

[BigE]

So u are running carnage canyon Sunday?

[4runner freak]

You might want to re-read the vehicle requirements!
It is 39" tires now!
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/4runnerFreak/CO4RJ%202011%20Trip/IMG_4524.jpg

[Brody]

Yeah, 35s may work, but you may also want to bring a sturdy bag for the differential pieces......And bring a spill kit, which should have been included in that list I sent you:

Some advice on Carnage from someone who has run it in a few different rigs, if you don't mind:

Bring spare parts
Bring tow straps and tree savers
Bring a snatch block
Bring tools
Bring diff oil
Bring oil spill clean up stuff

Allow time to walk the trail
If you have difficulties on the entrance obstacle, bail. It only gets harder and the worse part is the exit.
If you break ****, expect to winch out/recover through the exit as there are going to be people behind you and no room to pass to go back down the trail....and it is a one way trail.
Allow about 6-8 hours to do the trail the first time.

[BigE]

Yea if it is now saying 39's I'm out but if u guys run it on Sunday I will come to watch and help back when my jeep went through it only suggested 35's so ill come but I will be there to help

[BigE]

This is true so I'm at least game to come up if u guys run it Sunday it u run it Saturday then I'm out have to work. Unless someone knows of a job I can get that gives me the weekend off and at least pays the bills :D so the Saturday u guys run cinnamon let me know if u are waiting for Sunday and.if.u do I would be game to come.up Sunday morning and.meet up with.u guys or if.u come.back and then head back up let me know

[mattzj98]

I don't think we are going to do cinnamon, not sure if its same direction. Chinaman gulch on the other hand.. haha

And yeah, 39s are BS, a guy locked front and back on 33s has done it. Pick. A right lane. I am picking up diff cover for the back prior to going though. If I blow up these axles, next step is Rockwells.. go figure

[mattzj98]

I feel like people like to blow it all out of proportions.. its a hard trail, being smart gets you a long way

[mattzj98]

You have the rig to compensate! =P

[Molley]

I personally wouldn't care if the sign said "Tank" as the minimum required to give it a shot, I'd still be game!
'''''''''''' good one chris scott ,,,,,,,, last time MOLLEY went throu , she hated that under cut ledge and the exit had that big slab rock more toward the middle of hill .everyone winched out exit. can remember if it was fun or not ? but i cant remember ... wait what was i saying ???

[mattzj98]

If it said "tank" then you have your requirements cover..

[Molley]

is this the area that a toe was injured ?

[ccbruin]

Very tempting... We'll see as it gets closer

[96blkbeauty]

A guy I know (and some of you probably know too) ran Carnage 4-5 years ago in his stock FSB on 31's. I'm sure the trail has changed a lot since. He didn't care about body damage. And its a good thing, because he got a lot of it...

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr4/96blkbeauty/63_10740275186_780545186_215371_1223_n.jpg
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr4/96blkbeauty/63_10740260186_780545186_215368_427_n.jpg
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr4/96blkbeauty/63_10740190186_780545186_215354_6718_n.jpg

[scout man]

thats a nice looking Bronco. What a shame. I can see doing that with one thats already trashed, but that looks pretty clean.

[ShutUpHippie]

Definitely an interesting way to break-in a wheelin rig :eek:... or a great excuse to build something sweet. There's always a up-side

[mattzj98]

Haha yes, the toe.. that was on Chinaman Gulch though!

[BLOODBANE]

We went to the entrance once (everybody was on 35's and locked F/R)....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/BLOODBANE81230/Chinamans/DSC00452.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/BLOODBANE81230/Chinamans/DSC00449.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/BLOODBANE81230/Chinamans/DSC00448.jpg
Needless to say we didn't go very far.....The buggy wasn't with us.

[Gossamer]

Im so In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jus kiddin :lmao:

[ccbruin]

here a cool video of the trail:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwall7_PJU

[mattzj98]

COme on Juno, I'm going to do it in reverse.....just kidding! :lmao:

I actually did run a tiny part of Carnage Canyon in reverse.. remember? =P

[Rick]

Cool Video

[ctracy5]

It doesn't look that hard, I bet Chris could spot me though it. :lmao:

[Max]

GOOD LUCK!

[mitsutech]

Ya can do carnage on 35's two lockers and a winch pretty easy but it's very likely you will take body damage.
Did it twice last year. Hardest part is the v notch the exit could be bypassed on the left side when I was there last

[pancake]

I have ran Carnage several times...only broke a front 35 spline chrome dana 60 axel shaft.....as for body damage to my full size rig...well you can see from my photos it was a lot:rolleyes:

Picking the right line and taking your time and pulling cable when needed will get you a long way.

I wish I was in town...I would be in :mad:

[Rick]

Picking the right line and taking your time and pulling cable when needed will get you a long way.

carnage is in my hopes one day!!!!!!!

[Rick]

You could come see how not to do it when I run it..
still tossin it around to do Chinaman Gulch. Crazy next 2 mos. w/ proms,grads ,etc.......

[Heather]

Crazy next 2 mos.
All the more reason for a "you" day...!!!!

[Rick]

for a "you" day...!!!!
i'm pushin, believe me!!!!!!

[Gossamer]

I have a leak of some sort that im trying to find :bang:...its been a mystery thus far...if i can get this stopped by then Im in...i think its the transfer case but im not a real mechanically inclined gent :help:

[ccbruin]

where's is dripping from?

[Gossamer]

where's is dripping from?
Alec Im not sure...It looks like under the cross member

[Popsgarage]

Could be the rear output shaft seal on the trans or the front input shaft seal on the transfer case. Neither is to difficult.

[Gossamer]

Could be the rear output shaft seal on the trans or the front input shaft seal on the transfer case. Neither is to difficult.


Anyone want to assist me

[ccbruin]

I would but i have test these next two weeks

[xaza]

you need to take it to the car wash, wash the entire front underside, especially the crossmember. It traps oil like crazy. Drive it home and check it right away, should be able to find the leak easily enough then. If it is a slow leak you may be looking for just a little droplet ready to drip. Also could be the rear main seal which is common for our XJ's. That is right where the engine mates to the transmission. If you find the leak but don't know what it is, tell us where and what color, might be able to help more.

[MelloYello]

Stop the Hijack. Start a new thread please!

[mattzj98]

Stop the Hijack. Start a new thread please!

Thank you!

I know there isn't THAT much interest in that run so I check it everytime I see something.. only to find out someone has leaks lol

[BigE]

Lol now that is true

[Gossamer]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Gossamer]

I know there isn't THAT much interest in that run so I check it everytime I see something.. only to find out someone has leaks lol
Hey now !!! I posted about possibly going on the run and said i have a leak , now if people chose to post about it ,thats their prerogative..lol

[mattzj98]

Hey now !!! I posted about possibly going on the run and said i have a leak , now if people chose to post about it ,thats their prerogative..lol

Haha so hopefully see u on the trail bud!

[Rick]

Haha so hopefully see u on the trail bud!
Ive done chinaman but not ready for carnage... We may just drive the car down there and hike up watching you guys beat the hell out of your rigs!!!!!!We take good Photos!!!!!!

[BigE]

It's all good :D no worries

[Gossamer]

We may just drive the car down there and hike up watching you guys beat the hell out of your rigs!!!!!!We take good Photos!!!!!!
Own a trailer? You can pull my heep up :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[Rick]

Own a trailer? You can pull my heep up
I dont but if you find one let me know

[Rick]

I'll bring your sticker Rick
sounds good

[mattzj98]

Rick, you're on 40s, you got this! :)

[mattzj98]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN2GJUhq3pU

[Rick]

Rick, you're on 40s, you got this!
a trailer would make me feel a lot better...... $$$ kinda tight right now too. Believe me I will totally enjoy watching and taking pics. gas for the car 20 bucks, truck 200

[mattzj98]

so you're taking a car up there?

[Brody]

Lady driving that XJ drives better than 95% of the guys I know who are "badass wheelers".......

You guys running Carnage might want to take some time and watch the lines the good drivers took though the obstacles.

[Rick]

so you're taking a car up there?
it'll make it right?????

[mattzj98]

park it one bottom, if we get to make it over it, it's good to go! won't worry about scratches! haha jk

But seriously, u driving up there to watch in the car? :)

[Rick]

u driving up there to watch in the car?
Yeah. the wife and I will be your photographers and helpers. Like I said earlier, a lot going on right now money and family wise, so I think the smart move is to go enjoy the outdoors without worrying about breaking something. One day I do believe I'll try it!!!!! I told "GOSSAMER" if he found atrailer I would tow him up there, but still no response

[mattzj98]

Awesome! next time you guys run it, i'll be able to help and take pics for you ! (since i'll know how the f my jeep up haha)

[Gossamer]

I told "GOSSAMER" if he found atrailer I would tow him up there, but still no response [/QUOTE]

No trailer as of yet ....still lookin though :thunb:

[Gossamer]

Sweet will do Robyn, thanks

[Squshiee1]

so is it carnage only? i am so confused.

[Rick]

..still lookin though
cool,still available

[Rick]

carnage only
Probably, from what Ive seen and heard that thing can take all day

[mattzj98]

We split the run into 2 different ones. Both are posted. Idk if anyone is doing Chinaman. I know Rock Rubi wants to, Robyn too not sure about others

[mushroomax]

What time is everyone gonna be at the trailhead?

[mattzj98]

Assuming about the same as lasf time.. probably around 10?

[mushroomax]

And exactly what rigs will be on Carnage?

[mattzj98]

Mine, Chris's, Jon's TJ, and another Jon (skinnyfab) LJ if he does come with us

[mushroomax]

Looks like 3 so far, yours, Chris' and Clutch...

[mushroomax]

Oops posted at the same time

[mattzj98]

Jon Rsvp'd under chinaman gulch accidently

[Heather]

We might (hopefully) have several people on foot, too (including myself and the boys). More arms for pulling strapped rigs...?

[mushroomax]

I would like to run it with you guys, still packing for overnight if things take to long?

[mattzj98]

I don't plan on it taking that long.. worst case scenario, BV hotel?

[mattzj98]

I would like to run it with you guys, still packing for overnight if things take to long?

Would love for you to jojin us, show us how its done =D

[Heather]

I would like to run it with you guys
:woot:

[mushroomax]

Cool, I was hoping to be back in time for the Evans/Jones fight

[mattzj98]

Cool, I was hoping to be back in time for the Evans/Jones fight
You've ran it forward backwards and sideways.. how long does it usually take?? (Not all of us are as capable as urs so I'm sure some winching will be going on)

[mushroomax]

With the rigs you listed and no problems my guess would be no less than 4 hrs from the entrance to exit of Carnage cuz I know you'll all be stopping and taking pictures every foot:D j/k. I think IIRC shortest run was 1 1/2 hours taking our time, longest for me was this year actually, took 5 hrs or so cuz I blew up the rear r/p half way thru the trail :eek: Got drug thru what the locked front couldn't handle and winched the exit.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?192149-Carnage-BV-1-13-12

[mattzj98]

Awesome, i'd then count on taking up all 5 hours haha a lot of people said all day, hope its not the case haha 4 -5 hours is pretty good.

We won't be stopping for pics, there will be lots of people taking them haha but this is first time for all but you running carnage.. gotta start somewhere..

[ccbruin]

I'd run it with yall but i think i would hold up the group a lot, still dont have much experience with the TJ yet :/

[Gossamer]

gossamer - hit me up tomorrow afternoon. buddy here at work might have a friend you could borrow one from.
Robyn, Rick wont be able to make it this w/e..He pm'd me so no worries about tryin to get a trailer..maybe next time and thanks alot for trying :)

[Rick]

maybe next time
sorry juno,this is the time of year at work where days off are no guarantee. anytime it rains we work!!!!!

[Gossamer]

Oh no worries Rick! I completely understand bro!

[mattzj98]

I'm so stoked!

[mattzj98]

so looks like im actually SOL my track bar is broken up front.. I hope i can pick up a new one if anyone stocks them

[Rick]

that sucks Matt!!!!

[mattzj98]

yeah I guess I'll be stopping by High Country Performance 4x4 tomorrow to pick one up. Problem is, mines custom lenght, since my track bar mount is over the truss, so I might have to get it shortened or just custom made.. hope it will be done in time!

[Chris]

I realize these got screwed up due to the upgrade and apparently when I "fixed" the RSVP it created another thread to add to the confusion. I hope to get it straightened out soon but in the meantime people who are going on either Carnage or Chinamen's should RSVP now.

You do it by clicking the link on the front page or by going to the calendar.

[Popsgarage]

so looks like im actually SOL my track bar is broken up front.. I hope i can pick up a new one if anyone stocks them

What happened to the track bar Matt?????

[mattzj98]

ITS ALL FIXED AND CHANGED

[Heather]

ITS ALL FIXED AND CHANGED
WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctracy5]

Can't wait to see pics and videos from this run!!! One day I hope the trooper will be ready for it!

[Michael4rnr]

I'm going to be there to watch help and take pictures. I'm camping afterwards with chase.

[DHYDR8D]

My jeunkep is ready I don't know how to sign up anymore. I hate change. I will be there around 10 at the trail head. I am taking 1-70 trough leadville just because I have been on 285 way to many times. Anyone that wants to roll with me let me know and we can figure out a meeting spot. I also have a seat open. My co-pilot lost his grandma and has to go to Minnesota on tomorrow. Anyone want to ride with me?

[Popsgarage]

Remember to pick good lines tomorrow guys and good luck.

[DHYDR8D]

Not gonna make it guys. Wife had a bad dream about today. Everyone be safe.

[Brody]

Understand that completely. You don't even have to ask where it came from or try to explain it. I heed dreams and intuition a lot. Never try to rationalize them. That is one of the reasons I am probably still around and more or less intact after 40+ years of doing dangerous sports. A large number of my friends and people I know who do similar sports are no longer around.....

[DHYDR8D]

Yep, intuition rules my life. I like to listen to my body and that of loved ones also.

[Chris]

Moved the rest of the posts to Trail Run Reports - http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?16548-Carnage-Report