The Jeep Cherokee

[MultiScuf]

Looking for get bumpers and plates and other stuff need ideas. Links below are just basic set up if anyone has any heavy duty ones let me know. More links will be add as I move through sites :P
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/smittybilt-xrc-front-bumper-with-winch-plate-and-xrc-rock-sliders-sb-76810-k.html

[ExplorerTom]

$1400 for a Smitybuilt bumper?!?!? Wow! I had mine built custom for about that.

Check out First Choice Fabrication. He's in Denver near Evans and Federal.

[MultiScuf]

Was that for everything? Side Skids? Rear and Front V? Do you have an address for them?

[Rick]

check out Skinnyfab on here

[MultiScuf]

The dont have a website?

[Rick]

The dont have a website?http://skinnyfabrication.com/

[ExplorerTom]

Was that for everything? Side Skids? Rear and Front V? Do you have an address for them?

Nope. I didn't see that originally in the link. Might be a good deal then.

I've only seen Smittybuilt chromed tube bumpers and they've all been rusted out. Hopefully their plate stuff is better.

[EKXJ87]

I was about to say the same thing!But it looks like thats for F/R bumpers and Rockers. ( I was about to sell you mine for 3/4 the price LOL)
There is a ton of options out there for the XJ. The only thing I would suggest is getting the thickest rockers you can, if you plan on using them even 3/16" will dent a door frame if your not carefull.

[MultiScuf]

I was about to say the same thing!But it looks like thats for F/R bumpers and Rockers. ( I was about to sell you mine for 3/4 the price LOL)
There is a ton of options out there for the XJ. The only thing I would suggest is getting the thickest rockers you can, if you plan on using them even 3/16" will dent a door frame if your not carefull.
You got some for sell that are good? Post pics?

[EKXJ87]

Everything I have on my XJ I built, I was thinking about re-designing a front bumper ( may sell this one ) if you can't find what your looking for or just want to talk about XJ options PM me.

[carpenle]

I have an Or Fab rear bumper that I am going to be selling http://www.orfab.com/images/large/83209.jpg

[MultiScuf]

I can you mount a tire rack to that? Can you rise that hitch?

[carpenle]

I can you mount a tire rack to that? Can you rise that hitch?

You could fab a tire rack, I was looking at something like this http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp194/spatag/Bumpers/TireCarrier05.jpg

The hitch is a factory hitch and not part of the bumper.

[EKXJ87]

That OR rear bumper is sweet! That rear tire carrier is nice, and your right you'll have to fab one up I haven't seen one on the market I made my version of it and its a lot of work!

[MultiScuf]

I would have to see it in action to know if ill like it

[Hypoid]

Nice work, Steve!

[ExplorerTom]

I don't understand the fold down tire carrier.

[EKXJ87]

Looks like its a swing down, and also pivots on the passenger side to open the hatch.

[MultiScuf]

Looks like i got alot work ahead tommorow to try and get my steering and brakes figured out. Had to stop empire today due steering and brake line when tight after i got home well see what holds for saturday fher than all that very pleased with what did for. Nexg few weeks well be spent on designing sates /lift kit / etc

[carpenle]

I like the fold down, because it is easier then lifting that huge tire 5 ft in the air. Also offers a little protection. Steve yours looks really nice, I just decided to put the one I had on the 90 (swing out), because it was done and easy.

[MultiScuf]

I'll be posting more stuff later.

[Stu]

Steve that fold down is sweet. Hopefully I'll get a chance to check that thing out in person one of these runs. I ditched my swing out awhile back and moved everything inside, which really only works because I rarely have any passengers in the back.

[MultiScuf]

The Dream set up
http://www.carid.com/cart.php
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/smittybilt-xrc-front-bumper-with-winch-plate-and-xrc-rock-sliders-sb-76810-k.html Y bar instead
Custom Rear Bump
Poison Sypder Plates
Does a anyone know of any sites out there than you can use to through set ups on jeep and see how it looks?

[EKXJ87]

Steve that fold down is sweet. Hopefully I'll get a chance to check that thing out in person one of these runs. I ditched my swing out awhile back and moved everything inside, which really only works because I rarely have any passengers in the back.
Thanks,
I also rarely have rear passengers, I've removed the back bench and will be trying to cut and fab the rear area for 2 removable front buckets in the back. But with the rear bench removed I sure love all the extra room!

[MultiScuf]

Anyone got any ideas on what lift kit I should be getting I have rough country 4 1/2 now Wana go bigger just dont know what brands are good.

[EKXJ87]

Rough County short arm I assume?
I have a 4.5 BDS long arm and with trimming I can fit 35' with no problem and rides extremely smooth. what size tires are you planning to run that you want to go bigger/higher??

[The StRanger]

4 & 1/2 seem about right... Why not go bigger tires & trim the fenders ??
Keep the center of gravity low !! Get more flex !!

[EKXJ87]

4 & 1/2 seem about right... Why not go bigger tires & trim the fenders ??
Keep the center of gravity low !! Get more flex !!
What he said :thumb:

[MultiScuf]

I think so EKXJ87 (http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/member.php?1408-EKXJ87) I dont know much about the lift. I wanna go to like 40inch tires dont ask me why they just look sick. But I also wanna have ride that good in the city but a great off roader Want it to be more off road than city though
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[Rick]

I wanna go to like 40inch tires:eek: not to be the pessimist but I see a lot of $$$$$ going in to this if you go to a tire that tall.....gears,axles,drive-train in general,etc.......but yes it would look cool

[MultiScuf]

Well I think the biggest I wanna go is like 35 to be real still have to figure my drive train and gear and axles for all that anyway. But if I could switch between both tire sets that would be awesome. I know its money sink but its going to be the only car drive for like the next 10 years lol

[EKXJ87]

I'm no expert but i'm sure that 30/35 or 30/44 will not handle them, just the weight of difference between my 33x10.50/15 and the 35x12.50's was big and data claims 35 are pushing the limits/dependability on stock axles.:2c:
Dont get me wrong 40's are cool, I have a friend that has a XJ on 37's but he runs full/W - 44's/60 and I'm pretty sure I can hang 90% of the time with him.

[MultiScuf]

I do plan to upgrade my ankles. Just dont know when am going to get to that. Right now I just going to work small things I think axles well be sometime in the next few years

[MultiScuf]

Anyone know have any good sites for axles?

[Hypoid]

XASA bought some axles off the interweb. He has considerable amounts of money tied up there. He and his brother have taken their XJs through several phases of kick-ass.

Dutch has built and sold more Jeeps than I have owned, not to mention building stuff for other people. I'm making preperations to take my project axles to him.

Serious Offroad has built his reputation as an XJ owner, and stand-up guy.

I hope this gives you a place to start? :thumb:

[MultiScuf]

XASA bought some axles off the interweb. He has considerable amounts of money tied up there. He and his brother have taken their XJs through several phases of kick-ass.

Dutch has built and sold more Jeeps than I have owned, not to mention building stuff for other people. I'm making preperations to take my project axles to him.

Serious Offroad has built his reputation as an XJ owner, and stand-up guy.

I hope this gives you a place to start? :thumb:

Do you happen to have the website for for all these people?
Thanks for the help.

[xaza]

Other things to take into consideration when going to big tires is stopping them. You will be wanting to upgrade brakes. When swapping axles a disk brake conversion for the rear makes a huge difference. If your gears are set properly to the larger tire, then you will actually get better gas mileage than to put smaller tires on. I ran 31's on my 4.88 gears for a while I don't recommend it. I went with G2 axles which I have abused a bit and they have held up. There are better axle upgrades out there though.
http://www.4wheelparts.com/search.aspx?Action=2&AnswerId=74730&SH=QT1HLzIsZzJ_Qj1HLzIsZzJ_RD0xMn5HPTc0NzI0XjF_ST1 EaXNwbGF5UHJpY2V_Sz00fkw9MX5NPTEyfk49Mn4&SI=dbba313e-a516-4bc6-ae2e-2bd8660877da
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/teraflex-tera44-heavy-duty-front-replacement-axle-housing-with-0-3-lift-and-standard-trackbar-mount-tf-3544000.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=productfeed&utm_campaign=cse&gclid=Cj0KEQjw_IKiBRD7rPqut_OZ4qgBEiQASm4GAhygPw-oelk0mdiy5e6HWjbptDt35r2-isHYPsm3yUAaAlwP8P8HAQ
http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-1208-crate-axle-buyers-guide/

[Hypoid]

http://www.seriousoffroadproducts.com/Axle-DriveTrain

Dutch is a member on this board, he does not have a web site.

[Rick]

http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffWizard.aspx....I have Yukons on mine and they seem to be holding up well...Randys ring and pinion

[xaza]

There are also a lot of options in a junkyard that can help save on the cost of building an XJ. Meant to post this earlier.
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f2/budget-builds-what-junkyard-parts-will-fit-cherokee-58797/

[MultiScuf]

Did lots of research today. Builds looking cheaper an now its off to junkyard and other things

[MultiScuf]

Umm so I need some help with bumper ideas for the rear? Any ideas?

[javaman34]

I would suggest a good strong bumper. :rolleyes:

[MultiScuf]

I know I need design though cause theres so many different styles

[RidgeRunner]

Check these guys out. I had one of their rear bumpers back when I had and XJ (although they were cheaper then.) They also have DIY bumper kits for reasonable prices if you can weld.

http://www.jcroffroad.com/

or TnT customs also makes good stuff

https://www.tntcustoms.com/

[EKXJ87]

I would suggest a good strong bumper. :rolleyes:
X2 X2, the stock F/R bumper mounts need reinforcement for sure if you plan on installing a winch or doing any pulling. On the rear bumper I just used 2x6 and sleeved the "frame" with the same material 12" on both sides secured the sides with and addtional 3-grade 8 bolts, and still used the factory mounting bolts

Not the best photo but it all I have.

But this rear bumper is not moving!

[MultiScuf]

Whats the gear ratio am wan to be looking at for front and rear axle?

[xaza]

Depends on what size tire you are planning on running. Gears are pretty expensive and best to get done once.
http://www.quadratec.com/Assets/Knowledgebase/Image/gearchart%281%29.jpg

[MultiScuf]

So I wanna go up to 35 but be able to get go bigger so I wanna get 4.88 gears?

[dscowell]

Depends on how much bigger. Up to 37s I don't see a problem up any bigger would be pushing it.

[Hypoid]

I think 4.88 is all the deeper gears you can get for a D-30. There is a lot of discussion on how long a D-30 will live on 35-inch tires.

[MultiScuf]

I plan to swap axles when I go bigger tires

[Hypoid]

Go deeper, you will need more torque to spin the extra mass.

[MultiScuf]

like into the 5.29?

[Jim]

There is a lot of discussion on how long a D-30 will live on 35-inch tires.

For a rear or front? My D30 is on the front (4.10) with 35's and failure wasn't on my radar (aside from watching Cliff go up Big Momma in reverse - likely something I'd not want the front diff to deal with).

[MultiScuf]

So right not this for next summer I plan to swap both my axles out for Dana 44s both front and rear may get 60 in either rear or front I just trying to plan out my build now.

[Hypoid]

like into the 5.29?5.13




My D30 is on the front (4.10) with 35's and failure wasn't on my radar
A) 4.10s have a bigger pinion.
B) You are running a full case locker in your D-30.

Deep gears, lunch box lockers, and flex make de gears go BOOM! I'm not sure if its the carrier, housing, or both that flex, but its hard on parts when they distort under load.

[xaza]

I am running 4.88 gears on my truck with 35x12.5x15 AT tires on steel rims. Truck is no speed demon heading up the hills but can typically roll up them in 3rd gear unless I get slowed down to about 60 on a steep incline. I then have to slow to 55 to down shift into 2nd. If you go deeper in your gears that down shift will move down making you slow down to closer to 50 but might make it possible to maintain getting slowed to 60. If you go too big with gears you end up with a weak pinion gear because it gets smaller as the ring gear gets bigger. From my understanding racers like the 4.10 gears because they give you the strongest combination of ring gear and pinion gear. Dana 44's with 35's are on the edge of being strong enough. Dana 60 is a very heavy axle to go with how strong it is, would be a good choice for the rear if you plan to be throttle happy but you also lose a little ground clearance.

[MultiScuf]

So what are the best lockers out there? Is there anything else i should be looking for axles? Other thiughts well on brake and axle part?

[Jim]

One man's opinion: I have ARB's on mine and am generally quite happy with them - BUT - the OX, cable operated, lockers just seem NICELY simple.

[Serious Offroad]

Had an Ox...hated it.
spent way too much time on the trail adjusting the damn cable.
Never again.

[Jim]

Thanks.

I am not familiar with an OX, aside from what I thought was a simple setup.

What cable adjustments were needed? My assumption is that the cable is pulled (or pushed) until a stop (in the diff) is reached for "unlocked" operation and pushed (or pulled) until the cable reaches a stop (again, in the diff) for locked operation. It seems this is not the case? I'm curious to know more.

[Robert B]

not to kinda jack the thread here but i have been looking at an OX for my front and from what i know it should push to engage and pull to open and they have a screw in manual override if there are cable issues or breakage .... and i figured once the cable length is set ( might suck first time around) it shoud pretty much be set unless its damaged so im kinda curious why frank there had so much trouble

[carpenle]

I have a friend with ox's and he is always having to adj. the cable. I had ARB's and liked them a lot, but had a couple solenoids go out on them. In my XJ now I have Detroit front and rear, seem to work well and not much that can go wrong with them.

[Mr6dwg]

When I was first getting into the locker scene, I was shown the Ox lockers. Other than all the fan fare about ARB, I was still willing to try OX Lockers. I figured the cable engagement for the locker was the best idea! I bought one and "paid" to have it put in. We spent days trying to get the cable to engage and disengage. So, when Frank speaks, I understand where he is coming from. Maybe the quality of OX is such that if they really made a good product, it could compete with ARB.

[MultiScuf]

So I decided to go with arb lockers. Now am working on what axles i wanna go with dana 44 or higher. I found few axles like dana 60 for around 3.5k for the rear but havent found any good ones anyone got any thoughts,input,should I do this?

[Stu]

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4735990043.html

This. (if the parts are in good shape)

[Serious Offroad]

I want the front axle....but I'm afraid to ask what he wants for it.....

[MultiScuf]

I don't like the fact. That there bad axles in general....because. i wanna have to redo my front braking and I have disc brakes in the rear. I dont know much though about conversion I pretty sure am lock into gettting my rear new. But fronts are going to be hard to find in 44 or 60 new.

[MultiScuf]

Plan for Rear Axle Thoughts?
http://www.4wd.com/Jeep-Drivetrain-Jeep-Axles-Differentials/XJ-Rock-Jock-Dana-60-Rear-Axle-Assembly-5-38-Ratio-With-ARB-And-Disc-Brakes.aspx?t_c=12&t_s=475&t_pt=7572&t_pn=G%2f2XJRJR538ARBD

[Serious Offroad]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced!

[xaza]

I think you might be a little low in the gears for 35's. Another company to check into is Spidertrax. Can't seem to find any complete assemblies but am pretty sure they do them. They are local in Loveland, CO. They make some great 9" axles. I also can't complain much about G2, my axles have handled the abuse and held out so far for me and I don't even have the Rock Jock series. To put a 60 in the front is only necessary if you are going to be mashing out the skinny pedal and bouncing off rocks. I agree about the disk brake conversion, saves money and time to have it on to begin with and only requires minor modification to brake lines. Just don't lock up e-brake and hit the gas...brakes lose on that one :bang:

[MultiScuf]

I just thinking its a easy set up and I dont know what its going to be to set up. and build from scratch this way I have nothing to worry about

[Stu]

It should be able to install itself for that kind of money.

[EKXJ87]

this way I have nothing to worry about[/QUOTE]
Its a Jeep Cherokee, there is plenty to worry about!! LOL
I've seen some write up's on Grand Wagoneer D/44 XJ axle swaps I understand that its a LP but I'm looking at trying this swap myself.

[MultiScuf]

this way I have nothing to worry about
Its a Jeep Cherokee, there is plenty to worry about!! LOL
I've seen some write up's on Grand Wagoneer D/44 XJ axle swaps I understand that its a LP but I'm looking at trying this swap myself.[/QUOTE]
Well i looked into lockers,and there like grand a price axles are 1.5 and disc brakes are rough to find in parts

[MultiScuf]

Went an had about an half hour long talk with High Country 4x4 this afternoon. Got a quote for my jeep around 20-22k for parts labor and guarantee the set up works? Is this worth it should I do this? Or should I take time and built it up over time?

[Brucker]

Went an had about an half hour long talk with High Country 4x4 this afternoon. Got a quote for my jeep around 20-22k for parts labor and guarantee the set up works? Is this worth it should I do this? Or should I take time and built it up over time?

You are joking, right?

[MultiScuf]

No that was for parts and labor - I going to post what would be down to the jeep to lol ---

[Brucker]

$20-22K?!?!? You do realize that one could purchase a number of different buggys for that price range? Rigs that would have a decently powered FIV8 with an Atlas, one tons on 40's with a trailer included?

And if you do, please take the time to search out other local shops before you take it to HC. I can think of at least one vendor, not including myself, on here who knows his XJ's, and would take VERY good care of you. Hint, he posted in this thread before. Another hint: His name is Frank and he owns Serious Offroad.

Edit: Not bagging on HC. They know how to bolt things on and they know their Jeeps. But they are not a vendor here and don't participate at all. Just throwing the idea out there that you support those who support this site, or at least give them the chance.

[EKXJ87]

I have less than 1/2 of that in my XJ including all parts + buying a Hobart 220v welder and J2 Bender, but if you include my time and labor that sounds about right. Just remember this a hobby and resale value is a big NEGATIVE. IMO

[xaza]

Taking it to a shop to build and having a warranty don't do much good to help get it off the trail if it does break. Lot of good knowledge that gets picked up while building a truck that can be beneficial on the trail. It is also good to know what is within your limitations and not end up driving a death trap. That is a lot of money to drop into an XJ, but broken down over time and done yourself with others around here can easily get that done for half the price I bet.

[MultiScuf]

$20-22K?!?!? You do realize that one could purchase a number of different buggys for that price range? Rigs that would have a decently powered FIV8 with an Atlas, one tons on 40's with a trailer included?

And if you do, please take the time to search out other local shops before you take it to HC. I can think of at least one vendor, not including myself, on here who knows his XJ's, and would take VERY good care of you. Hint, he posted in this thread before. Another hint: His name is Frank and he owns Serious Offroad.

Edit: Not bagging on HC. They know how to bolt things on and they know their Jeeps. But they are not a vendor here and don't participate at all. Just throwing the idea out there that you support those who support this site, or at least give them the chance.
This is the only I place I know of that is close by to my place. I going to be buying this anytime soon this morning of after winter/begining of summer project. I do know of Frank I just havent had chance to swing by the place or call him. I was also just wanting to see what the price is for it. I not going to spend 22K on my rig inless it like 2015 lol I just wanna get groups input an from what the last 3 post of been I wont be doing it for that much. But latley I been looking into DynaTrac Axles -BDS 8-1/2 Inch lift with 37.12/50 tires with Rear and front bumper and skids. Was why the price is so high. Thats my end goal for the jeep.

[MultiScuf]

driving a death trap.
Do you mean an on the trail death trap or road?

[Rick]

Got a quote for my jeep around 20-22k for parts labor:eek: come on over...Ill help ya for 15k.....just kidding.....I agree with Aaron......lotsa stuff out there for that price

[Hypoid]

I've seen some write up's on Grand Wagoneer D/44 XJ axle swaps I understand that its a LP but I'm looking at trying this swap myself.I saw a '91 Waggy in the drain shop last weekend...

[MultiScuf]

Alright so I come to a bump in the road. I currently have 4-1/2 inch lift (I think its a 3-1/2) I am looking to go bigger. But how big is to big? (BDS suspension - 37s - Skids - Bumpers -Drive Train(I think)- DynaTrac Axles)An at what point should I look into just scrapping the Jeep for a better project? Keep in mind this all final build all subject to change an most likely will

[Rick]

the truck I have has everything I could need and cost me 3K.........Ive put about 2500 into including tires and front chromoly axles and have owned it 3yrs.....

[EKXJ87]

I saw a '91 Waggy in the drain shop last weekend...

Drain Shop? I was at the UPull on Broadway looking for 1-side mirror and found a 89 G/wagoneer and couldnt help myself so I snagged the axles! WHY WHY WHY I asked myself :confused:

[EKXJ87]

Brandon,
My question is what trails have you ran that you need 37's +++, most XJ's/rigs that I've ran with have 35's/4.5 lifts or smallers and have no issues running 90% of them.

[dscowell]

How big do you want of a lift? Do you want it sky scrapper high or lower to the ground. Bigger lifts can fit bigger tires with no cutting to a degree. Lower lifts can fit bigger tires with cutting but are much more stable. I prefer lower lifts more stable for better piece of mind.

Read through this before making any decisions. -> LOW COG (http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/low-cog-suspension-setup-tricks-tips-revised-9-24-12-a-32980/)

[Hypoid]

Drain Shop? I was at the UPull on Broadway looking for 1-side mirror and found a 89 G/wagoneer and couldnt help myself so I snagged the axles! WHY WHY WHY I asked myself :confused:That was your handiwork!!! :D

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee120/Hypoid/Parts%20Dog/WaggySprings.jpg

LKQ on Federal has one waiting to be processed.

[EKXJ87]

Yup that was me, it was just sitting there on the outside isle calling my name. LMAO

[The StRanger]

support those who support this site, or at least give them the chance.

yup !! x2 !!

[The StRanger]

Brandon,
My question is what trails have you ran that you need 37's +++, most XJ's/rigs that I've ran with have 35's/4.5 lifts or smallers and have no issues running 90% of them.

And remember, For our type of wheeling you want the biggest tire you can stuff under the shortest lift you can fit.
I would rather stay with the lift ya got, install d44/9 inch, move the front axle forward about 6 inches and the rear axle about the same (possibly reversing the leafs) and cut the fenders with armor !!

[MultiScuf]

Are you saying on a 4-1/2in lift ill be able to do 90% of the trails in america or is that just for moab/denver? Also I got short arms on it now should I change out the kit to be long arm? Or should go to 5-6inch lift an scrap the an 8 lol.

[Rick]

tall aint good unless your boggin

[dscowell]

tall aint good unless your boggin
Amen

4.5" with long arms and 35" you will be able to do just about everything. You could even stuff 37s under there and be even better off.

[MultiScuf]

You really think I can but 37s under that long arm?

[dscowell]

Yes read through the link

http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/low-cog-suspension-setup-tricks-tips-revised-9-24-12-a-32980/

[MultiScuf]

I did says nothing about fitting 37s -40s
May be blind

[The StRanger]

You really think I can but 37s under that long arm?

I dont know how to post links from other sites, But.
Xtreme 4x4 (Ian) just did a Cherokee long arm system on 37s and that thing flexed like crazy.
Season 2014 episode 21 Veteran XJ

[MultiScuf]

Just copy paste link

[gm4x4lover]

With 35's locked and geared right you could run any trail in colorado. Buggy's don't have to worry about body damage and I think that would be the biggest limiting factor. Xj's have a pretty decent wheel base to start with. You can make the rear leaves flex really well for cheap. Building and bulletproofing the axles is the most expensive part. It's hard to shove 37's under a 4 door xj with out really cutting up the body.

[MultiScuf]

GM I plan on just going all the way with my axles and going DynaTracs If I wanna do one thing right its my lift and my axles.

[MultiScuf]

I dont know how to post links from other sites, But.
Xtreme 4x4 (Ian) just did a Cherokee long arm system on 37s and that thing flexed like crazy.
Season 2014 episode 21 Veteran XJ
I watch it. but now I dont know what I wanna do with my suspension(Thanks alot:2thumbup:) But now you got me looking back to into it.... I wanna go to the 37s but that set up they did seems a little extreme and I still wanna be able to drive it on the road on weekends or be daily for awhile. I like what they did to it though just remind I should probably look into my tranny case. Otherwise I think I am covering most of the Jeep.

[Serious Offroad]

http://www.seriousoffroadproducts.com/Serious-Offroad/Serious-Suspension/SERIOUS-OFFROAD-PRODUCTS/Serious-Long-Arm-5.5in.-Long-arm-Suspension-NP231J-T-case

[Hypoid]

It's hard to shove 37's under a 4 door xj with out really cutting up the body.Example: http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1032532&highlight=low+wagon

I do not know what lift height he used for the final product. I don't have time to read the whole thread.

[gm4x4lover]

I read it when they built it. It was a very nice build but way more money than I would ever want to throw at an xj.

[gm4x4lover]

GM I plan on just going all the way with my axles and going DynaTracs If I wanna do one thing right its my lift and my axles.

Way more money than I would ever be willing to throw at a uni body rig. Ours is on 35's locked and geared with armor. I have about 5k in it including the
purchase price of the jeep. For 5k it could drive to key west tomorrow and get 17 mpg or run Penrose. Our cherokee has 2 drawbacks, 1 it's uni body and when you wheel them hard it takes its toll on the frame, and 2 the size of it on the inside is really small.

And I gotta ask, why dyna-traks? A high pinion 44 from a bronco or f150, or 60 and 14 bolt would be far less expensive and equally as strong if not stronger. All dyna-trak is doing is assembling something and re boxing it with their name tag and the premium to go along with it. I am not sure if frank still builds axles but when he did they where very good and no where the same price.

[MultiScuf]

I have always want a cherokee. Which why I plan on going big on it. I can always just take the body and wrap in tubing and take off the body an make buggy later or custom something up.

[MultiScuf]

So after much thought I decide to look into two lifts 4-1/2inch and 6-1/2inch - I only wanna have to do this once so now I wanna hear people thoughts. Should do 6-1/2inch with 38s? or 4-1/2inch LA(I have short arm now) with 35s? There isn't much of difference price between lifts but there is in tires. I also wanna do trailer at some point but am I really able to trailer anything on a 6-1/2 lift? My favorite tire size is a 40 but I know I not going to be able to get that well staying low. 38s are the next biggest tire but I don't know if thats if going to work on 4-1/2in lift or even 6-1/2in. So if anyone has so advice or ideas to how I can get this to work that would be great. I need to get this iron out soon so I can start working on interior sit up. I like to plan things out in advance hehe :P

[gm4x4lover]

Anything over 5" really needs to be a long arm. Plus long arms drive so nice. 6 1/2" is huge on an xj. I am pretty sure if you can figure out how to run 38's you should be able to run 40's. Imo there is no reason to run anything taller than a 35 on a cherokee. On 35's they will go anywhere and do anything. Over 35's is counter productive on a cherokee imo. Lots of rigs out there run 40's just fine very few cherokee's out there on more than 35's and almost all of them are severely hacked and trimmed (read not great to drive on pavement and not good in adverse weather conditions due to chopped up inner fenders and holes in the floor for springs/shocks). I ran a k5 on 40's with 4" of lift and would do it again but I wouldn't go taller than 35's on either of my cherokee's. Most people run Xj's on 35's with 6+ inches of lift I have seen it done with as little as 4. I think 4.5 to 5.5 is about the right range for 35's. My suggestion is if you want to run more than a 35 then find a better rig to do it on in something with a real frame. 1st Gen 4 runners are a great choice because they are still small and nimble plus they have a removable top.

[Jim]

35's with those portal axles that ?Patrolman? found on craigslist - done.

[MultiScuf]

35's with those portal axles that ?Patrolman? found on craigslist - done.
You wanna build the set up with me guyz?

[Brucker]

You wanna build the set up with me guyz?

If you are serious, we can work something out. I am picking up the axles from him in the morning. Could use those axles with some modification to the front steer axle as it is passenger side drop. They do need some other work (brakes) but seem to be in decent shape. That is, if you can convince me out of using them myself.....

[MultiScuf]

I am serious. After having talk with other XJ buddy of mine(employee) an realizing that dynatrac are waste of money. I been looking into other kind axles. I am turning into a crawler/weekend Warrior vehicle. I would really like them. If there is someone way we can work something out? I also would have know idea how to install all this or set up for my jeep. But I fell like these axles would be perfect for it. Let me know we can talk. I sent my number in message.

[MultiScuf]

Never mind I answered my own question. Yeah if the chance we can work something out I am total down. Can I put better gears into both them?

[gm4x4lover]

I dont think you need to. They may be all ready geared to low. Lots of portal axles are in the neighborhood of 6 to 1.

[Serious Offroad]

Here ya go....
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?214968-Bolt-in-XJ-Axles-ARB-s-4-56-gears-Chromos

[MultiScuf]

Here ya go....
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?214968-Bolt-in-XJ-Axles-ARB-s-4-56-gears-Chromos

I am really portals after looking into them more last night I think it would be the one thing that makes the stand out

[Brucker]

I am serious. After having talk with other XJ buddy of mine(employee) an realizing that dynatrac are waste of money. I been looking into other kind axles. I am turning into a crawler/weekend Warrior vehicle. I would really like them. If there is someone way we can work something out? I also would have know idea how to install all this or set up for my jeep. But I fell like these axles would be perfect for it. Let me know we can talk. I sent my number in message.

I did not receive any message from you. Not on here by PM or by my personal email, or in the shop's email, or by any phone I have.

But first off, you should probably do a little more homework. Dynatrac axles are not junk. Just new and therefore cost a pretty penny. But let me be the first to guarantee that you will have a minimum of $3500-5000 into any one ton or similar front end. Probably more. They aren't cheap. And that's just for a front end. And if you are wanting to run 35-37's, a one ton front is useless as you will lose any ground clearance you gained from the bigger tires with the larger diff. With 35-37's a well built D44 with Chromo shafts and joints should and will hold up just fine. You mentioned you may want to go bigger, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you are going to be trailering it everywhere. Big tires are expensive and wear VERY quickly on the street.

As for portals, yes they are neat and different from what most run. And being just that can make them pricey. They aren't perfect for just any rig, and they take a lot of time and knowledge in order to be installed into almost anything. Then there is your rig, an XJ. Making these fit into your rig will take more time and money than most as the front axle is a pass drop and you need a driver drop. Yes, this diff can be cut and recentered but at an additional cost. Then there is the bracket issue. The portals would need all new brackets made/bought, and then welded into place. This is again, more cost. And then the pinion flange will need to be reworked to fit your driveshaft. More money. And then the brakes need to be delt with as they are drum and most likely worn out. And you will want to convert to a disk brake setup since you can't stop well if at all with the drums. That is a minimum $1200 kit not including shipping, taxes, or any labor.

So really, are the portals perfect for your rig?

[ExplorerTom]

Portals sound awesome, but would more than likely end up being more of a science project than something you could use all the time. The set up would be a massive undertaking. When something broke you'd be hunting for parts (I doubt Advance stocks anything for those things) and could lead to a week wheeling trip to Moab being cut short because you can't get a replacement part when you break on the trail. But more conventional axles are better supported and parts can be found in all sorts of junkyards.

And by going to portals, or just really big tires, you'll really limit the number of trails that can actually be fun. I've witnessed this first hand by going from an open-open IFS to SAS with trutracs front and back.

[MultiScuf]

Lets talk tonight. Like I said this whole 4x4 getting the right axles still very very new. I think portals would still be sweet either way I look it I would be down a bunch money just in axles. If you can call me tonight I free till 1am most nights an can take calls at work as long as we're swamped.

[gm4x4lover]

The more I think about it the less I think putting the portal axles under the jeep is a good idea. The biggest factor I think is the availability of parts in the back country. If you brake a part you are probably never going to be able to find it at a napa, autozone, advanced, etc. I think when building a rig to take you to the middle of nowhere the kiss method is by far the best.

[MultiScuf]

Dynatrac apparently makes portals? Right now it,looks like we can order the parts the just,come from other cars still lookin into nothing is final. I see the negative said of things but looking at the positive side of things is pretty high

[gm4x4lover]

Dyna-trak makes bolt on portal boxes. And I think they are only for the 60's. Maybe 14 bolt.

[MultiScuf]

Idk anymore my head hurts over thinking

[gm4x4lover]

Keep it simple and just enjoy it. Even stock 4x4 ' s are fun

[MultiScuf]

Keep it simple and just enjoy it. Even stock 4x4 ' s are fun

Had a stock and broke it hehe got this new one an still wanna make it right

[Jim]

Idk anymore my head hurts over thinking

I'll venture out to a limb*: Use your current rig for next season as-is. Learn what it can and CAN'T do. When you get to the points of what it CAN'T do you can evaluate what is needed (changed axles, etc) so that it CAN.

I don't know your reasons for change (haven't been following) and I don't intend any disrespect to your background. I'm coming from the "run-what-cha-brung" perspective, enjoy, and then see what change is desired.


* I recall you stating in some post that you're new to trails.


The places that are on my mind that you could take your jeep that would be a nice notch up from Bard Creek:

1) Ironclads - the loop, counterclockwise, and play on the ledge.
2) T-33a - there are one or two ledge-ish areas to work up.

[MultiScuf]

Yes am new to trails but to rigs am not

[Rick]

I'll venture out to a limb*: Use your current rig for next season as-is. Learn what it can and CAN'T do. When you get to the points of what it CAN'T do you can evaluate what is needed (changed axles, etc) so that it CAN.this^

[MultiScuf]

I'll give a year. I just already know the suspension well be completely shot in 1-2 years.

[Jim]

I'll give a year.

You'll certainly have a fun year!

[Hypoid]

There ya go!!! :thumb:

[MultiScuf]

But now that we got this whole year thing going before change anything (major) Anyone got thoughts about what should stay and what should go?

[MultiScuf]

I guess the first thing to go would be my Suspension I looking to do something like a BDS kit 6" long arm kit. Thoughts?

[Chris]

Use your current rig for next season as-is. Learn what it can and CAN'T do. When you get to the points of what it CAN'T do you can evaluate what is needed (changed axles, etc) so that it CAN.

I'll second this 100% and add that you can also learn what you can do (technique-wise) that may eliminate the need for some mod you think you need.

[MultiScuf]

I'll second this 100% and add that you can also learn what you can do (technique-wise) that may eliminate the need for some mod you think you need.
I agree with all post :D But not winter needs to hurry up and leave. I am also am having drivetrain issues it will be long day tomorrow.

[ExplorerTom]

But not winter needs to hurry up and leave.

why? Ever heard of winter wheeling? It's like summer wheeling except the trail is covered in snow. Easy trails in the summer become fun in the winter.

[MultiScuf]

Cause in the winter time I normal work crazy hours so maybe :P

[MultiScuf]

I found some dana 44s for decent price should I go pick them up there off Scout II Are they good?

[MultiScuf]

Found link http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/pts/4757966500.html

[dscowell]

Scoutt 44s are passenger side drop so you would need to switch your T-case to run the front one. Either way they are good axles.

Edit: Might be driver side so disregard the first statement.

[MultiScuf]

Ah had talk with shop about them they would be to much work overall which equal to much money hehe :P Anyway back to the drawing board

[MultiScuf]

ARGH to much planning

[gm4x4lover]

What's wrong the hp30? And why not an xj 44, a Chrysler 8.25, or a ford 8.8?

[MultiScuf]

Whats stronger?

[gm4x4lover]

The hp30 will handle 35's all day long in stock form. If you lock it you need to upgrade the shafts and some people truss them. The 44, 8.8, and 8.25 will handle 35's in locked form. My xj runs the hp30 and xj 44. All though it really depends on how much you like the skinny pedal, for some a built 60 and 14 bolt aren't strong enough for 33's.

[xaza]

Here is a good comparison of the stock axles out of Cherokees.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/154-1109-jeep-cherokee-axle-guide/
The 8.8 is a little stronger than the 44. 96 and older(27 spline) 8.25 axles are weaker than Dana 35, 97 and newer (29 spline) are comparable to the 44 and can run 35s if you are not too throttle happy. They are still a c-clip axle.

[MultiScuf]

So if ford 8.8s are equal to 44s basically? When I throw lockers into them are they going to blow out in a 30/35?

[MultiScuf]

http://westslope.craigslist.org/pts/4758148324.html I found these axles should I snag them?

[Brucker]

http://westslope.craigslist.org/pts/4758148324.html I found these axles should I snag them?

I think you should do what you want as you haven't listened to a thing anyone on here has told you. Not trying to rag on you but your age and experience is really showing right now. You really need to take some time and re-read this thread. Hopefully you might pick up on some of the great knowledge and personal experiences from others who have already been in your exact position in life. Until that actually happens, I have no answers for you and can't be of any real help. But I do wish you the best of luck!

[MultiScuf]

I think you should do what you want as you haven't listened to a thing anyone on here has told you. Not trying to rag on you but your age and experience is really showing right now. I not disregarding anything post on this that people say. I just looking into other options of axles and sets up now. I have already state that I am going to be waiting year before I change anything like axles/suspension/gears/accessories. But asking if picking this axles now instead down the lane incase want to use them is definitely not outa line in anyway. Also I maybe inexperienced but that were the fun begins as far as my age goes how does that play into anything. Anyway I don't want this to turn into back in fourth bashing so I going to leave and lets get back to talking about the build

[xaza]

You are wasting your efforts to find something to replace. Craigslist will be around in a year to see whats available when you are ready. First thing is to make it a reliable rig that won't leave you stranded in the hills. Follow with me next year on a few runs, you will be impressed with what your truck, a good line/spotter can do. If you want to spend money on stuff, start with the basics. Hoses, plugs, wires, belt(I carry a spare too). Flush all fluids. Bulbs(spares) Get spare parts, a quick google search will find you a thorough list but things like axle half shafts, u-joints, etc. This is a build thread, so build. Pg 8 is way late for some pics of what you have done since buying your rig. You will have opportunities to talk to folks on the trails and soak up some knowledge that will help answer some of your questions with examples.
:pics:

[Brucker]

I not disregarding anything post on this that people say. I just looking into other options of axles and sets up now. I have already state that I am going to be waiting year before I change anything like axles/suspension/gears/accessories. But asking if picking this axles now instead down the lane incase want to use them is definitely not outa line in anyway. Also I maybe inexperienced but that were the fun begins as far as my age goes how does that play into anything?

It's all about respect. People have told you how to find the answers you seek, yet you keep coming back asking the same questions that have been answered a 1000 times. Those threads have been archived and are easily searchable. But instead of doing the research you keep asking the same types of questions over and over and then don't respect the answers given or really learn from them. Heck, you called my shop today, twice, to ask if you should buy a pair of axles. The axles were drum braked, sprung under, and the opposite side drop than what you need. And those are all things that you should have known, given the info in just this thread. But they were cheap and the thought of a deal blinded you. Hence why I brought up your age as your wonderful youth is easy to see. You are over excited and your mind is going in a 100 different directions at once. You can easily see that you haven't fully learned to reign any of that in yet. Which is leading to more furstration on your part which in turn is leading you to ask more questions.

My last piece of advice before I drop out of here is that you write down your final goal and budget for your rig. Then research the heck out of how to get that accomplished. Many sites including this one has the info you are looking for, I guarantee it. But you have to dig. Use the search function and go to town. And then once you figure out your plan, then start searching the interwebs for the parts.

[Brucker]

You are wasting your efforts to find something to replace. Craigslist will be around in a year to see whats available when you are ready. First thing is to make it a reliable rig that won't leave you stranded in the hills. Follow with me next year on a few runs, you will be impressed with what your truck, a good line/spotter can do. If you want to spend money on stuff, start with the basics. Hoses, plugs, wires, belt(I carry a spare too). Flush all fluids. Bulbs(spares) Get spare parts, a quick google search will find you a thorough list but things like axle half shafts, u-joints, etc. This is a build thread, so build. Pg 8 is way late for some pics of what you have done since buying your rig. You will have opportunities to talk to folks on the trails and soak up some knowledge that will help answer some of your questions with examples.
:pics:

Well said.

[MultiScuf]

After buying it we found out it had a misses fires and broken motor mounts. Also notice that rear bushing were shot. Also had seized up wheel bearing knocked that out too. An when bought there we no rear brakes(Dont ask what why:lmao:) So we replaced all that. Also brand new NGK spark plugs cleaned up the miss fire. Later tomorrow when I finish getting up on lift and working drivetrail ill post more :D

[MultiScuf]

New Heavy Duty Driveshaft Installed

[Serious Offroad]

Looks like a plain front shaft with new paint.

[Rick]

Looks like a plain front shaft with new paint.Did Bill make that for you or is it your old one repaired?

[MultiScuf]

I had buddy who had the the front driveshaft. He pulled it off a new XJ. The shaft is strong than the stock one. Bill just balanced it and paint it.

[Serious Offroad]

Thats far from H.D.

[gm4x4lover]

Is there a difference in the front drive shaft from different year Xj's besides the mounting yoke/flange?

[xaza]

I have seen 3 different lengths. Wylie and I both have 94's and we have different length shafts in ours.

[MultiScuf]

Yeah from what i seen newer xjs have heavier duty shaft from my 92

[MultiScuf]

One side on the other side coming soon :D Thanks Doc:bowdown:

[EKXJ87]

Looks great guys! those will give you plenty of confidence when going over boulders/ledges nice upgrade.

[Rick]

nice:thumb:

[xaza]

:thumb: Helps a lot to protect truck and keep doors working. Nice upgrade.

[MultiScuf]

Well looks like that cats out of the bag onward to the other thread.