Debating on getting Trailer Queen [Archive]

MultiScuf

October 3rd, 2015, 09:39 PM

So nothing has pop out expect this

Kingpin chevy d60 dually conversion 5.38sSpool
Corprate 14bolt rear 5.38s DetroitDisc brakes converstion
42" tsls 90%17" pro comp custom beadlocks
Dual tcases stock gears marlin adapter
Custom front long spline drive shaft
Hydro assist steering
9500 warn winch
22re 5spd
Warn gold hubs
New front seats Rear Cornue bucket bench seat
6" All Pro springs Custom 13 gal fuel cell

Thoughts?

MultiScuf

October 3rd, 2015, 10:04 PM

We are staying in Colorado. We are just moving from we live now. I getting chance to either get 1 or 2 things from work I find out Friday what I can do. I either picking up 2012+ JKU or Truck/Trailer

Hypoid

October 3rd, 2015, 10:13 PM

Sounds like you are trading one set of headaches for another.

MultiScuf

October 3rd, 2015, 10:21 PM

Isnt OFf roading just a set of Headaches?

xaza

October 4th, 2015, 07:16 AM

no, if it was just headaches it wouldn't be fun. If you feel that way you are doing it wrong.

The StRanger

October 4th, 2015, 07:33 AM

design, build, install, brake, repeat.

Hypoid

October 4th, 2015, 09:13 AM

Sounds like you are trading one set of headaches for another.
That is the axiom for buying and driving used cars. You get tired of sinking money into your vehicle and start looking at vehicles that other people got tired of fixing.

Isnt OFf roading just a set of Headaches?
I enjoy wrenching, I enjoy design and fabrication, I enjoy the great outdoors, these are all hobbies.

I don't enjoy having unsafe and/or inoperable equipment, I don't enjoy having my wallet emptied by said equipment, I don't enjoy being saddled with expenses that I did not consider when I bought said equipment. These are all headaches.

All that aside, I appreciate you willingness to stimulate the economy. :)

Java

October 4th, 2015, 09:30 AM

I'd skip it for two reasons- you eliminate a huge number of trails from your potential list due to trailer parking alone, and 42" tires and a 22re are just not going to make you happy regardless of gearing. IMO your current Jeep is better, but if I was you (the start of many stupid sentences) and I was feeling the need for a change I'd get a relatively stock JK or TJ for a lower amount of money and build it myself. Wrenching is fun when it's on accessories and upgrade parts, it's just work when you're fixing stuff.

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 09:37 AM

Thoughts?

That's an impressive list of parts with no context. If all bolted appropriately to the right rig, you've made about 95% of the trails in Colorado no fun to run.

And from what I understand of your mechanical aptitude, if something were to break on one of those 5% of trails, you'd be up that proverbial creek without said paddle in a bad way.

dieseldoc

October 4th, 2015, 11:22 AM

So the parts list sounds good.
But whats the unit its self.
Whats the rest of the drivetrain....
Engine trans body etc....
Whats the cost of the unit?
Why is dude selling his junk?
Why do you want to sell a good rig that can get itself to the trail and back.
What you are looking at is a uge expence.
Now you will have to have a truck....and no the F150 is not enough truck to haul this around.
A tow rig needs to out weigh the towed vehi al and trail combined total pounds by 50% or more.
So you are now in need of one of the big 3 diesel trucks.....20k on that right of the top.
You are looking at a 40k investment here......

Next issue is you are by no means ready to make this step.
This kind of rig is built to go over things you have not the experiance to drive.
This rig will get you in huge trouble.

Next mess.....what is the price?

Pictures????

And the last bit......with what you are taking about you will have 3 things to insure tag and title.
The buggy wont have to be emission tested if it has a OHV sticker. If it stickered it cannot be driven on public roads. Trailer will require tons of up keep....they are not just hook up and go.
The maintenance of the thing is high cost and time consuming
The tow rig will be the same thing.
Next you have to acount for total combined weight rating.....
Truck and trailer total has to stay under 26,001 lb or you have to hav a CDL

You are opening a can of worms that you are by no means reay for.

The investment alown.........

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 12:23 PM

And not to mention..... You're 22. I bought my first house at 23. Toys are fun but don't make a lot financial sense. I don't know what your living situation is like but saddling yourself with an expensive toy probably won't help.

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 03:33 PM

Now you will have to have a truck....and no the F150 is not enough truck to haul this around.
A tow rig needs to out weigh the towed vehi al and trail combined total pounds by 50% or more.
...

First of all: what? You're saying that a truck needs to weigh 50% more than its towed load?

lets do the math with a 2015 F-350
cars.com lists the curbs weight at 7,242 lbs.

if what you are saying is true, it's towing capacity is 3,600 lbs.

I'm pretty sure a 1-ton truck can tow more than what my 3.0l Mariner was rated for. Continue scrolling down the cars.com page and we find the towing capacity of an F-350 is listed at 12,300 lbs. you were only off by about a factor of 4. I'm sure you can easily find even a heavy steel trailer and trailer queen rig will tip the scales at 8000 lbs or so. That still gives you 50% capacity.

Even a 2001 F-150 is listed at 4994 curb and 7700 towing.

I dont know where you're getting this "the truck needs to outweigh the load" business. It's frequently not the case. If you keep spouting off wildly incorrect info like that you're bound to lose your credibility.

But one thing I do agree with: a truck, trailer and rig adds a ton of hassle and headache.

redneck23ms

October 4th, 2015, 05:14 PM

i agree a tow rig and trailer adds a little bit of hassle. but if you want to play on the big boy trails then you better have a tow rig or at least access to a truck and trailer to get your rig home when it breaks. and a f150 is enough truck to tow most rigs as long as you keep the whole setup (rig and trailer) under 7000 lbs or so. it all comes down to what you want to do. if you want to run trails like carnage, holy cross, patriot etc. then a buggy or one ton rig and truck and trailer is the way to go. if a little milder trails are where you want to go then your current jeep can do that. i was asking myself similar questions over the last few years. and now my jeep is somewhat built (44 and 9" stretched, beadlocks etc) and i have a diesel tow rig and trailer. my rig runs fine down the road but if the trails i'm heading to are more than an hourish away i'd rather tow it. that way if anything happens i can still get back, or help others if they break as well. i have also been pondering selling my rig and getting a buggy as i really want to play on the big boy trails. but i think for now i will just keep wheeling and building my current rig.

newracer

October 4th, 2015, 05:15 PM

I agree with most everything posted except for this

a truck, trailer and rig adds a ton of hassle and headache.

I recently got a trailer for my rig and love it. I ride two and from the trail in comfort and if I break all in have to do is get back to the trailer.

redneck23ms

October 4th, 2015, 05:18 PM

same here mike. oh btw i am alex b on facebook mike in case you were wondering who it was that sent a friend request a while back.

dieseldoc

October 4th, 2015, 06:26 PM

I get it to. Had the com0lete package as well. And will again. But yet the majority of people who have a trailer have space and time toe deal with them.
Not to mention the mechanical skills to maintain them.
The nice things about towing your rig do have hug plusses. But in city living you have to be able to store the thing off street and out of sight really. Most covent controls want a very specific storage set ip.

The tow raiting is what I was refering to sorry I left the tought out........distracted.

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 06:52 PM

I recently got a trailer for my rig and love it. I ride two and from the trail in comfort and if I break all in have to do is get back to the trailer.

Buddy of mine recently missed out on a wheeling trip with me. His trail rig was ready to go. His tow rig was ready to go. The trailer decided to not have operational trailer brakes. And this was after spending 2 weekends workng other maintenance projects on the trailer.

And my my type of wheeling- I try to not do out-and-back trails. I connect one area to another. Dropping a trailer and having to return to it would not be ideal. For me anyway.

newracer

October 4th, 2015, 07:20 PM

Buddy of mine recently missed out on a wheeling trip with me. His trail rig was ready to go. His tow rig was ready to go. The trailer decided to not have operational trailer brakes. And this was after spending 2 weekends workng other maintenance projects on the trailer.

And my my type of wheeling- I try to not do out-and-back trails. I connect one area to another. Dropping a trailer and having to return to it would not be ideal. For me anyway.

Sounds like he neglected to keep up on his maintenance. Of course an additional vehicle and trailer means more maintenance I just don't think it's much of a hassle or headache.

My tow rig is my DD so it's always ready and maintained. I can drive my trail rig to and from the trail, if i want or need to, but it's really nice not having to.

Also since my trail rig sees less miles it requires less maintenance.

88Toy

October 4th, 2015, 08:08 PM

So nothing has pop out expect this

Kingpin chevy d60 dually conversion5.38sSpoolCorprate 14bolt rear 5.38sDetroitDisc brakes converstion42" tsls 90%17" pro comp custom beadlocksDual tcases stock gears marlin adapterCustom front long spline drive shaftHydro assist steering9500 warn winch22re 5spd Warn gold hubsNew front seatsRear Cornue bucket bench seat6" All Pro springsCustom 13 gal fuel cell

Thoughts?

Dude, myheadisspinningfromjusttryingtoreadwhatyourewriti ng

MultiScuf

October 4th, 2015, 09:09 PM

8500$ or Best offer
Comes with Trailer

MultiScuf

October 4th, 2015, 09:26 PM

I looking at 2500 Ram 01 6speed right now... no pics of it

Java

October 4th, 2015, 10:20 PM

8500$ or Best offer
Comes with Trailer

I'm changing my answer, that thing looks like a lot of fun. For sure it has wear and tear but if it all works that's a decent asking price. I'd think it would be money well spent to have Brucker give the cage a once over, actually the whole thing if he has time. I like it!! A rig built like Rick's would be a cool dual purpose tow rig / wheeler and would keep your options open.

94ToyBear

October 4th, 2015, 10:21 PM

I hate to get involved in this because from past history it never leads any where.
BUT, IF YOUR GOING PRETTY MUCH ASK FOR OTHERS OPINIONS, AT LEAST RESPOND TO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. I think everyone one is trying to be as real as they can with out blazing ya. Take what they say in, respond to it, or there is no point. Your Gona do what you Gona do regardless.

There is no other group other then FR4x4 members, that I would but 100% trust in to with helping ME With a big decision Like this.

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 10:27 PM

Yep, 5% of trails in CO- like I said originally. And because it's such a small percentage, not very many people are going to go with you and you might end up wheeling less.

but like Adam said, you'll do whatever you want regardless of what we say.

MultiScuf

October 4th, 2015, 10:45 PM

There is no other group other then FR4x4 members, that I would but 100% trust in to with helping ME With a big decision Like this.
I agree you as I said I just asking for thoughts/conern/issues.
I still new off roading scence so if see parts or build I know nothing about this is the place to ask for me :)

ExplorerTom

October 4th, 2015, 10:54 PM

I still new off roading scence

Trailer queen buggies are not for newbies. End of thread. Keep your current rig. It's already overbuilt

MultiScuf

October 4th, 2015, 11:01 PM

"I still new off roading scence"

Trailer queen buggies are not for newbies. End of thread. Keep your current rig. It's already overbuilt
Meaning I dont know parts or builds...

dieseldoc

October 4th, 2015, 11:15 PM

Not bad price for what it is.
But ou have a better rig in your TJ.
Ya you owe a ton on it but it is a good rig. You should learn how to run it to its limits befor yo7 go getti g into trailer queen

newracer

October 4th, 2015, 11:34 PM

Back half of that exo-cage looks sketchy to me. I wouldn't sit back there.

ExplorerTom

October 5th, 2015, 08:06 AM

Meaning I dont know parts or builds...

OK, so you've got what.... 2 maybe 3 years of trails under your belt? My apologies.

Rick

October 5th, 2015, 09:01 AM

you'll do whatever you want regardless of what we say.Oh to be 22 again!!!!! Brandon,Do what makes you happy but you are getting a lot of great advice here from people that have been there done that...... All Im seeing is dollar signs!!!!! Whatever you do I hope all goes well

EKXJ87

October 5th, 2015, 10:16 AM

Back half of that exo-cage looks sketchy to me. I wouldn't sit back there.
X2 I wouldn't sit my mother in law in that back seat,
With all that open area winter/rainy cold runs may be a problem, unless you bundle up like Kenny I would keep your current rig IMO its a better start ?

ExplorerTom

October 5th, 2015, 10:26 AM

$8000 and a flexy cage like that.... wonder what other corners they cut.

And is that trailer supposed to be angled down like that in the rear? It seems like most are straight.

94ToyBear

October 5th, 2015, 10:34 AM

I agree you as I said I just asking for thoughts/conern/issues.
I still new off roading scence so if see parts or build I know nothing about this is the place to ask for me :)

I have around 13 years of automotive experience 7 of those yeas working in the education system, 4 years of 7 teaching Automotive.
started wheeling at age 20 took a around 2 years off, now 28.
I still consider my self new.

just wheel what you got and enjoy it ! I took my 89 YJ DD on 33s open front and rear and had a blast with the group from wheeler lake.

ColoJeeper

October 5th, 2015, 11:29 AM

I've done the whole truck/trailer/trailerqueen bit, and had a blast with it. Spent far more money doing it than I ever dreamed, and bought into a whole load of problems I never even thought about. I'd start by asking if you really have a good place to park and store it. If you are renting, you better get the ok from your landlord before you purchase or you will start by having to rent space to park it. When you rent space to park it, they you better check and see what your access is, because isn't any fun to have and need your trailer and realize you can't get to it before 9:00 a.m. the following morning. Truck and trailer require maintenance, and when you time is limited anyway, you are doing that, when you really want to be wheeling it.

You state that you are new to the whole "wheeling scene" and admit that you don't know a lot about it. You would be far better off to go buy a stock vehicle that is mechanically sound. Learn to drive it stock and you will be amazed at where you will learn you can drive it. Then through the experience you get, you can make a knowledgeable assessment of what you really need instead of just buying into the whole "bigger/better/badder" routine that just costs you money.

I would much rather wheel with a good driver in a moderate vehicle than have to pick up the pieces behind a novice driver in a built up rig he doesn't know how to wheel. My two cents, and advice I wish I had listened to years ago.

jayson44

October 5th, 2015, 01:06 PM

no comment on the rig itself, but I will only reiterate a point made about the physical size of the rig: too big!

I have numerous friends (and one of my actual best friends) who bought buggies because they thought they wanted the biggest they could get. all of them regretted it because of the league it put them in as far as trails go. they had a harder time finding others to go with them to the trails that made sense for their rigs, they couldn't enjoy driving them on the street any more, and the trails they did run with the rest of us weren't any fun because there was no challenge. I've seen them buy them only to be disappointed and sell them for a "smaller" rig.

seems to me, the TJ you have now is capable of tackling the top 5% (Carnage, Holy Cross, Penrose, 21 road, etc) trails here in CO with the right driving skills. and it's also not so big that you can't cruise with it or hit any of the regular-sized trails.

just my 2 cents.

J.