97 TJ [Archive] - Front Range 4x4 Forums

Schmitty

June 29th, 2021, 11:02 AM

Thanks Paul, a 12-pack of your favorite suds perhaps? :D

I've got another ad for misc things I've pulled off the TJ, I'll keep it updated with more stuff as time progresses.
https://boulder.craigslist.org/pts/d/longmont-jeep-tj-wrangler-parts/7338335255.html

I rejuvenated the seat cushion with some moving blankets from Harbor Freight, temporary fix:
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52038&d=1624981820

Focusing on more important things I've got my sights on these spacers. I'd like to ditch them for some proper coils, better flex, and actual 2in of lift. Looking at BDS 2in lift kit and pairing it with a set of 31s.
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52039&d=1624981820

open_circuit

June 29th, 2021, 11:05 AM

2.5" lift got me to 33 x 10.5 tires with only very minor rubbing. With the LJ I didn't need the SYE, but TJ will likely have issues with rear driveshaft angles with that lift unless you do something about rear pinion or go with SYE kit, I think.

Schmitty

June 29th, 2021, 11:24 AM

Yeah, I'm noticing some drivetrain vibrations when accelerating that feels like it's coming from the back. Luckily I scored that SYE NP231 kit this weekend.

2.5" lift got me to 33 x 10.5 tires with only very minor rubbing.
What lift kit? are they actually 33x10.5 or are they metric? I'm looking at 31x10.5r15 Duratracs. Correct me if I'm wrong here but my thinking is that I'll keep it pretty mild with mods for now and upgrade to a longarm kit in the future.

open_circuit

June 29th, 2021, 11:36 AM

The lift was installed before I bought the Jeep. It appears to be OME 2.5, but the springs have Rancho stickers on them. It might be cobbled together a bit. I run BFG KO2s in 33x10.5xr15 (not metric). I rub just a bit under some extreme full lock / tire stuffed into fender, but I could probably resolve that with some high line / flat fenders. 33x10.5 is enough that I can run just about anything I want to given that I don't have any lockers. The Jeep had 30x9.5xr15 with a 1" transfer case drop when I bought it -- I really hated this configuration. I removed the drop kit (1" more clearance on transfer case skid) and put 33s on and have been very happy with the Jeep since.

FINOCJ

June 29th, 2021, 11:53 AM

Max

June 29th, 2021, 12:45 PM

I like the half doors and windows out!

Java

June 29th, 2021, 08:40 PM

Thanks Paul, a 12-pack of your favorite suds perhaps? :D

It's yours, I can PM you my address and leave it on my porch, you can get it 24/7 whenever, no need to call first or anything. i can also just bring it if we're on a trail run together. I don't drink, but I'm a big dispensary fan, especially sledgehammer type kush and sticky indicas. :thumb: I could also use some big carboard or masonite or plywood pieces, I'm making a fiberglass box about 32" x 20" x 48" and need to make a mold. If you don't have anything to trade you can just call me pretty.

Schmitty

June 30th, 2021, 11:36 AM

Trent has a pretty sweet set-up on his LJ - functional on both street and trail....On the shorter wheelbase TJ, 33s will have more functional clearance with break-over angle and such (the longer wheelbase can have some traction advantage though in certain terrain conditions). I run 33x10.5 on my even shorter wheelbase cj5 and it feels like it can keep up with longer 4dr jeeps and such that are on 35s.At the same time, its pretty amazing what a small, short wheelbase jeep can get through without large lift or tires. Although most of the newer jeeps on the rubicon are running 37s, there are still a few early cjs doing fine on 31s. FWIW - you can get BFGs mud-terrain tire in a 33x10.5r15 as well if you are looking for more aggressive tread pattern. But, be aware that many of the traditional (non p-metric) tires sizes are rated at LT, and thus have a bit stiffer sidewall and may make the ride a bit more harsh, and/or lower air pressure might be warranted.

James, I've been tossing this around a bit and have gone back and forth between 31's and 33's.

Here's where I'm at:
When I drove this thing with 33x12.5s on it for the first two weeks of owning it it felt like it had no suspension and I think the wheels/tires were just too heavy for the suspension. Been kicking around on some little 235's on stock TJ Canyon wheels (while I figure out what I want to do) and the ride is enjoyable by comparison. I know these are little trucks and I'm used to driving my oh-so-soft Volvo around so my butt needs to adjust. :lmao:

I've spent some time in the past few days digging through old TJ forum posts about tire sizes (and the seemingly endless debates about the lift/tire combos) and I'm liking what I'm reading about people's experience with a 2in lift and 31's in combination with disconnects and SYE. The consensus is that it'll get you just about anywhere except for the really difficult trails. I also want to avoid putting so-big-a-tire on it that it takes the challenge out of it as well as keeping a LCOG.

Here's a reference for "stance", the lighting is bad but it's the closest thing that represents what I'm going after I will be adding a roof rack at some point as well:
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52045&d=1625068060

Schmitty

July 7th, 2021, 04:09 PM

3in suspension lift acquired (Thanks Mike!) ... I guess I'm going with 33's
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52096&d=1625686638

Max

July 7th, 2021, 04:12 PM

35's

JandDGreens

July 7th, 2021, 06:10 PM

3in suspension lift acquired... I guess I'm going with 33's
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52096&d=1625686638
I think you will be happy with the lift and 33's as long as your gearing supports them. I know the closer I get to the right gearing the more I enjoy running the 33"S, I have 4.10s right now a great improvement over 3.07s gears '(great on the trail and closer to great on the highway). I have everything bought and ready to build the axles with 4.55 gears. I think that will be the sweet spot !
With the manual tranny (ax-15)
Congratulations with your rig!!!!

Schmitty

July 7th, 2021, 11:17 PM

I think you will be happy with the lift and 33's as long as your gearing supports them.
It's a 97 and I have no idea what the gearing is but it does have the AX15. I think I'll put some chromo shafts in with a regear and locker (rear) with a TruTrac (front). That should cover the bases. Also, going with 33x10.5 in a KM3 I think... gotta love skinnys.

open_circuit

July 7th, 2021, 11:33 PM

If you have factory gearing you might be able to check your build configuration by following these instructions (https://hourlesslife.com/jeep-build-sheet/). Since you have a '97, this may not work for you. I was able to pull a build sheet for my 2005 this way.

JandDGreens

July 8th, 2021, 12:21 AM

It's a 97 and I have no idea what the gearing is but it does have the AX15. I think I'll put some chromo shafts in with a regear and locker (rear) with a TruTrac (front). That should cover the bases. Also, going with 33x10.5 in a KM3 I think... gotta love skinnys.
I'm extremely happy with my Ko2's 33"x12.5" they are great in all conditions. I like the off road and snow wheeling characteristics the most. And feel that the value $ for $ is better then most tires on the market. Some day I'll have to poney up for another set. I won't hesitate to buy them again.

Schmitty

July 8th, 2021, 09:59 AM

check your build configuration by following these instructions

Bam, there it is. Got it.

Command-Trac Part Time 4WD System
Dana 30/186MM Front AxleDana M35/194MM Rear Axle

Ko2's 33"x12.5" they are great in all conditions.
KO2's are great. I've been reading through numerous seemingly ancient (circa 2007) forum posts on tire choices, and some more recent youtube videos from the guys at 4Wheeling Australia. I wanted to understand the idea behind tire width in an offroading sense, coming from an autoX/sportscar background. Without writing a blog about the differences it boils down to a) rotational mass/unsprung weight b) clearance c) contact pressure and d) floatation.

I also like the look of skinnies. :D

open_circuit

July 8th, 2021, 10:03 AM

KO2's are great. I've been reading through numerous seemingly ancient (circa 2007) forum posts on tire choices, and some more recent youtube videos from the guys at 4Wheeling Australia. I wanted to understand the idea behind tire width in an offroading sense, coming from an autoX/sportscar background. Without writing a blog about the differences it boils down to a) rotational mass/unsprung weight b) clearance c) contact pressure and d) floatation.

I also like the look of skinnies.

I like the 33x10.5 since they work with my rig with virtually no rubbing on the stock Canyon wheels and tuck in under the fenders nicely. 12.5" wide tires would require me to get new wheels or wheel spacers. Plus they weigh less, as you've noted.

Schmitty

July 8th, 2021, 10:31 AM

I refinished a set of 5 8-hole steelies (15x8 3.75BS) this weekend in a satin black rustoleum. I'll be mounting the 33's to them. This thing is gonna look good real soon.
https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52097&d=1625758132

TjMike

July 8th, 2021, 11:03 AM

3in suspension lift acquired (Thanks Mike!) ... I guess I'm going with 33's
Glad I could help Rick and glad they are going to a good home!! I know you will enjoy the lift, great ride, prefect height for 33's.

Love the look of the black wheels and can't wait to see it all put together! Again, if your missing parts, let me know and I'll dig through my buckets. ;)

Schmitty

July 8th, 2021, 11:32 AM

Again, if your missing parts, let me know and I'll dig through my buckets.

If you've got the swaybar disconnect frame-pins laying around let me know. I put the front and rear swaybar links on last night in a whiskey-fuelled fervor and debated just making my own "pins" from some fun bolts found at Ace Hardware (I love that store more than an open bar).

TyTheJeepGuy

July 8th, 2021, 12:26 PM

First off, nice TJ :)

Second off I can confirm what James just said. My short wheelbase (slightly longer than a TJ) JL at "stock" (Rubicon trim technically 1" lift) height and 33s was super capable. I'm a big fan of short wheelbase :)

TjMike

July 8th, 2021, 12:38 PM

If you've got the swaybar disconnect frame-pins laying around let me know. I put the front and rear swaybar links on last night in a whiskey-fuelled fervor and debated just making my own "pins" from some fun bolts found at Ace Hardware (I love that store more than an open bar).
I have them sitting on my work bench. I saw them yesterday when you were here but didnt think of it. PM/text me if you want to stop by or meet up somewhere.
Whiskey fueled fevor? only good decisions come from that ;)

Schmitty

July 10th, 2021, 10:17 PM

PM/text me if you want to stop by or meet up somewhere.
Whiskey fueled fevor? only good decisions come from that

Sure, bring them to the next meet and I'll grab them from ya. Decisions like being productive lol.

Schmitty

July 10th, 2021, 10:49 PM

Got the winch plate and recovery gear in.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52099&d=1625974136

test fitting on the front.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52100&d=1625974136

Cleaning up holes and making sure mating surfaces are free of debris:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52101&d=1625974136

All mounted and ready for wiring:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52102&d=1625974136

making cuts for the wires:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52103&d=1625974136

Checking clearance:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52104&d=1625974243

Nice and clean:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52105&d=1625974243

Getting the other panel cut and checked:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52106&d=1625974243

Make sure to lube your gear: :D

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52107&d=1625974243

Smoke testing:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52108&d=1625974243

POWAAAAA and the winch is functional:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52109&d=1625974643

Jim

July 11th, 2021, 12:31 AM

Come out for Miller in the morning and put that winch to work!

Schmitty

July 11th, 2021, 08:09 AM

I would but the Jeep is currently in "HoverJeep" mode in the garage.:D

Schmitty

July 12th, 2021, 04:05 PM

A little teaser on things happening:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52124&d=1626123858

Schmitty

July 12th, 2021, 07:14 PM

I'm looking ahead to see what I need to plan for and found out my stock gearing says 3.07 on the differential tags... Can we get an "F" in the chat for my diffs?

http://myjeeptj.com/wp-content/uploads/gear-ratio-to-tire-size-chart/gear_ratios.jpg

Rocking 3.07 and 33's puts me pretty far out from where I assume it should be? It's on 235/75/r15 (29in tire roughtly, 28.9 exact) and it drives just fine. It looks like there's only a 300rpm difference at "final drive" for the numbers on this chart...

Either way it looks like it's going to perform okay on the road, interested to see how it will behave on the trail. For what it's worth I drove this home as it was rocking 33x12.5s and it felt tired like I was having to row the gears a lot. I'm not sure of the path forward yet but most paths are leading toward regear/locker sooner than later.

Steve-O

July 12th, 2021, 07:18 PM

F

(I don't think many people on this forum are going to get that reference Schmitty lol)

Jim

July 12th, 2021, 07:37 PM

Something to consider... What reduction gearing you have for low range (do you plan to change it???).

Me, I have 4.10's with 35's - but I have 4:1 (teralow kit) low range. This combo suits me just fine for trail use (most of the time I'm in 2nd / 3rd 4th with a bit of first and rare time in 5th). If I had stock low range, I'd be hurt'n on the trails. My street gearing is "about right". Only on street steep uphills do I see myself dropping one or for a short distance two (steep grades on I-70). I don't tow.

As for the "F" - went looking on the chart for it - so my assumption is fail.

open_circuit

July 12th, 2021, 08:16 PM

F means to pay respects. From a video game

speedkills

July 12th, 2021, 10:28 PM

Do people tend to run lower than stock gearing (after correction) when they re-gear just to help with the lower power at this altitude?

TDash

July 12th, 2021, 10:28 PM

F

(I don't think many people on this forum are going to get that reference Schmitty lol)

hey we're not that old!

open_circuit

July 12th, 2021, 10:35 PM

I'm surprised to hear you have 3.07. Maybe that was a feature of earlier TJs? My build sheet calls out 3.73 gears for my non-Rubicon LJ. I just assumed 3.73 was standard on TJ and LJs. Does your build sheet say 3.07 also?

Edit: https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/wrangler-tj-stock-specifications.71/#post-181

Looks like many different gear ratios are factory standard. I'm surprised by the wide variety here.

FINOCJ

July 12th, 2021, 11:14 PM

found out my stock gearing says 3.07 on the differential tags

Oof...and I am with Trent - a bit surprised they offered that high a gearing....but is it an automatic? An ol' rule of thumb is that for calculating CR and figuring out gearing needs, the torque converter acts to help crawl ratio by about 50%. In other words, for a manual, take the axle gearing x 1st gear x low range reduction....somewhere around 40 becomes reasonably functional for most easy and moderate trails around here, and near 60 is pretty sweet for most of us running 33-35s and difficult trails, albeit maybe not full-on rock crawling. For an automatic, you can take the same calculation and then multiply by 1.5 to get the equivalent crawl ratio....this is typically noted in older automatics (3 and 4 speed) in that their 1st gear is quite a bit higher than manuals, but the torque converter offsets that high 1st gear and also allows for higher axle gearing for highway efficiency without sacrificing too much performance.
For a manual, I'd say 3.07 is too high, but it might be doable in an automatic...of course, the good news, if you know you want the 33s, mount them up, drive it around, and if you decide its not performing well enough, then you can change the gearing....or maybe you'll find out its not too bad and just keep driving it....my first cj (1984 cj7) I ran 33s with a tired 258 I6 - it probably should have been re-geared (IIRC I think it ran 3.31?), and it was a bit of a dog on the street. But the stock 3:1 D300 transfer case reduction and the 4:1 1st gear (about the only redeeming quality of the weak T5 transmission), the off road crawl usage was plenty good. Guessing you may find something similar...

JandDGreens

July 13th, 2021, 01:00 AM

He has the same drive train as my Xj (ax-15 manual tranny) my Xj has 3.07 gears also, trust me 33" tires and that gearing is not going to work at all. Especially on the trails. I remember trying to climb the easy side of Slaughter House Gulch. After that trip I immediately went looking for a set of 31"s (that better but still no Bueno). 4.56 is really the best gearing for 33"s and this drive train.
Oh I'm assuming he has a 4.0?????

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 08:47 AM

What reduction gearing you have for low range (do you plan to change it???).

I'm not sure but it's not what the Rubicon has with it's 4:1 ratio or whatever... I do plan on making a tiny camper trailer or teardrop at some point so some ability to tow a light load must be retained.

hey we're not that old!

34 :D

I'm surprised to hear you have 3.07.

I am too, I pulled the numbers from the diff tags... I went to check and womp womp 3.07 was stamped.

For reference: The TJ has the 4.0 with the AX15 5-spd.

4.56 is really the best gearing for 33"s and this drive train.

This is the plan. I went digging in the TJ forums and found lots of folks pushing for 4.56 gearing at 33in tire size.

Rusty's has a "regear special" that's looking more attractive than a cup of water in the desert right now: https://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-driveline-driveshaft/jeep-ring-pinions/jeep-ring-pinion-gear-specials/rustys-gear-special-00-01-xj-97-06-tj-97-98-zj-d30-std-front-d35-rear.html

so maybe I'll prioritize the regear before upgrading axles...

This is escalating quickly.

derf

July 13th, 2021, 08:55 AM

3.07 was standard with the 4.0/AX15. That transmission doesn't have much overdrive. So it doesn't need short (higher number) gears, especially with the small stock tires. 33s are a significant change in tire size and a regear is appropriate. And going with more gear than you need to compensate for the tires would be a good idea.

Java

July 13th, 2021, 09:04 AM

All of the 4 cylinder TJs come with 4:10 gears, you can regear cheaply that way. I did the front axle in my last Jeep that way, cost $150.00 for the whole axle.

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 09:08 AM

Getting all that done will not be cheap...

Edit: The goal right now is to get out and play a little on some trails and use it as a camping vehicle. I may go with 31's in the meantime, bring it down to a 2in lift and save for "the big axles" at a later time. Trying to keep this low-budget currently and projects like this can get out of hand quickly. I'll keep an eye out for some 4.56 gears or some 4cyl axles.

Update: Sourced some 4.56 gears for the D30 and D35 for a pretty good price. I'm calling around soon to get quotes and see what getting them installed looks like, otherwise I'll do it myself.

TDash

July 13th, 2021, 11:56 AM

This is escalating quickly.

welcome to my world, lmao. :lmao:

My wife says the same thing as we talk about the goals for my truck and the current project

hey man, it's just money right?

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 03:08 PM

hey man, it's just money right?

yeah, it is... got quoted $3000 for a regear...

open_circuit

July 13th, 2021, 03:23 PM

yeah, it is... got quoted $3000 for a regear...

This is why I still run 3.73 (stock) gears on mine. 4.10 or 4.56 would be nice, but the labor + lockers are not cheap.

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 03:50 PM

Ah, yes. This is the thread I was looking for: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/extreme-novice-regear-thread-965764/

Posted here for reference if anyone else is interested.

This is why I still run 3.73 (stock) gears on mine. 4.10 or 4.56 would be nice, but the labor + lockers are not cheap.
I'm <s>retarded</s> brave enough to try this on my own. :wrench:

TDash

July 13th, 2021, 04:24 PM

i am 99% sure that whoever had my truck before me never re-geared when they threw the 37s on and there are times my 5.3L feels like a 4 banger so personally i can not wait until i get my new 5.13 gears along with my other crap

FINOCJ

July 13th, 2021, 04:26 PM

Be happy to help you with setting up new gears and installing locker....I am no expert, but have a little experience with diff work and setting pinion depth and backlash etc....it's tedious but not impossible. I'd highly recommend pulling the axles out and working with them on the bench...it may be more work pulling the axles than doing the R&P work.

xaza

July 13th, 2021, 04:36 PM

Taking a guess you probably have a NP231 transfer case which is 2.72:1. Can be converted as Jim said with a Terra low kit to 4:1. Down side with this setup is the number of planetary gears makes it much weaker than the NP241OR 4:1.
transfer case identifying guide:
https://www.4x4review.com/jeep-transfer-case-identification-guide/

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 04:50 PM

Be happy to help you with setting up new gears and installing locker

Thanks James, considering I had the front-end exploded while installing the JKS lift it shouldn't be hard to pull it all apart again. Still on jack-stands getting ready for rear install. I'm out another week or two on getting this thing rolling at this point.

Taking a guess you probably have a NP231 transfer case

It does, not interested in the Terra low kit. It's overkill for what I have in-mind for this vehicle.

derf

July 13th, 2021, 05:09 PM

I can help installing gears as well. I have plenty of tools and setup bearings for the D30 and D44.

FINOCJ

July 13th, 2021, 05:41 PM

Somewhere in the back of my mind...is the rear axle a D44 or a D35? Before going a spending much money on upgrading a D35 rear, you may want to do a bit of research and decide if that is the right path. Not saying a D35 is the wrong path (I think Jim still runs one in his YJ with a locker etc), just something to consider and make the right decision for you. Nothing worse than putting a bunch of money into something that you end up wanting/needing to change out in the near future (I am really good as wasting money this way).

derf

July 13th, 2021, 05:57 PM

TJ came stock with a 35. The 44 was optional.

Jim

July 13th, 2021, 05:58 PM

Not saying a D35 is the wrong path (I think Jim still runs one in his YJ with a locker etc)

I think I saw a D30/D35 comment above and my thought was the same - use caution on upgrading it.

As for me, while I have the HPD30 in front (ARB locked), the rear was swapped out to an unknown year D44 (ARB locked) with ?likely? some upgraded axle kit.

open_circuit

July 13th, 2021, 06:38 PM

What I hear is "buy a different used Jeep that's already geared properly and swap the axle". Or hit a pick-and-pull.

FINOCJ

July 13th, 2021, 06:51 PM

Or throw some 31s on it and wheel it hard as is....

Jim

July 13th, 2021, 07:02 PM

Or throw some 31s on it and wheel it hard as is....

Hold muh beer...

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 07:31 PM

Or throw some 31s on it and wheel it hard as is....

This is where my mind goes when looking at all the cost/time of everything. I wheeled the crap out of the basically stock 4runner I had when I first started hanging out with y'all. It wouldn't hurt to step back and assess the bigger picture. It'll give me time to figure out a good upgrade path and having the money to throw a Dana 44 on there with disc brakes would be a sweet option, in addition to adding the appropriate mods like adjustable control arms and "hardening" the chassis before I start putting big beefy tires and a locker on there. Having big tires is cool when you wanna show off to your homies at the mall but a country boy makes due with what he's got.

It seems we've come full circle as my intuition told me going with 31's at first would be the most cost effective way to get out there and have fun.

TjSteveA

July 13th, 2021, 09:02 PM

There’s a few tj Dana 44’s on Craigslist even a tj rubicon 44 as well.

Schmitty

July 13th, 2021, 11:46 PM

Yeah, I saw them. Don't have room in the budget to drop on $1200 axles at the moment.

Got more parts in today to perform this little tweak to add some cheap beef to the steering linkage: https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/zj-tie-rod-conversion.2373/

JandDGreens

July 14th, 2021, 12:18 AM

I can help installing gears as well. I have plenty of tools and setup bearings for the D30 and D44.
Good to know! I really want to learn too! :D I have to do mine soon. Have nearly everything to put together my axles.

Java

July 14th, 2021, 08:22 AM

i have the ZJ upgrade too, awesome bang for your buck. Have you seen this site for TJ stuff https://www.stu-offroad.com/

Schmitty

July 14th, 2021, 09:18 PM

Have you seen this site for TJ stuff https://www.stu-offroad.com/

I have not but I love detailed writeups like this. Been l digging through the TJWrangler forums and this guy's site is a little gold mine: http://www.4x4xplor.com/mods-TJ.html

Schmitty

July 18th, 2021, 10:02 PM

I've been agonizing about how stupid bumpstop extensions are (upper) because they contact the springs at full flex. I wanna get as much flex out of this thing at the ride height it'll have so I've been doing my homework. It started with looking at how stuff the JKS lower front control arms are and wondering "How does the stiffness compare to stock?" so off to the garage with a little experiment.

The front axle travel was tested with stock components then against the jks lower control arms and extended bumpstops. Lo and behold the stock configuration flexed better. You might ask yourself "Why? Isn't aftermarket better?" well that's what I thought too but upon observation I noticed the stock bent steel control arms actually twist quite a bit whereas the DOM tubing don't and rely on the rubber bushing to do all the work. The beefier aftermarket control arms while stout will put more strain on the brackets holding them to the body/axle. Hmm...

Why's this important? I'm building this Jeep to be as minimal but capable as I can and taking things into consideration as I upgrade it to fit that role.

Thus leads me to bumpstops... How can I avoid using aftermarket bumpstops that interfere with the spring travel? Some digging around lead me to some fellas talking about drilling holes in hockey pucks and mounting them to the top of the front spring perches. Well after about 2 whole seconds of thought and a quick look at the axle I happily gave Amazon 13 whole dollars for 6 lovely little rubber pucks. This is the result and my experimentation.

Mock flex with hockey puck bump stops:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52149&d=1626663503

I had read about people having issues with aftermarket adjustable front track bars having clearance issues, well it definitely has more than 1/2 inch clearance so that's good.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52148&d=1626663503

Proof of concept is ready for action. Gotta check clearance with tires on but I'm really liking what I'm seeing here.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52147&d=1626663503

That's all for my random evening ramblings and fiddling with things.

Tom

July 19th, 2021, 07:10 AM

I used hockey pucks on my jk. Just contact rubber cemented them in. Got em for a couple bucks from play it again sports.

Schmitty

July 19th, 2021, 08:28 PM

Hot.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52155&d=1626744411

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52156&d=1626744411

TyTheJeepGuy

July 19th, 2021, 08:32 PM

Oh yeah that's the stuff

open_circuit

July 19th, 2021, 08:34 PM

NSFW

Schmitty

July 20th, 2021, 05:42 PM

Ok, tires ordered... there was a deal on some tires that I could not pass up. Should have them on next week, until then it's these poor dry-rotted Goodyears.

After installing the lift I've noticed a significant driveline vibration... so I'm having to expedite the SYE/Driveshaft install. I'm not sure how safe it is to the surrounding components but that stock driveshaft is NOT happy. hah.

Schmitty

July 22nd, 2021, 11:13 AM

Got cracking on the SYE install last night. Had to stop because I don't have a gear puller for removing the balancer on the main output shaft. :frown:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52177&d=1626970289

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52178&d=1626970289

Edit: The main skid plate mounting locations are pretty cruddy... putting that on the list to have new ones welded on in the future.

Schmitty

July 27th, 2021, 07:53 PM

ok "big" update: adjustable track bars are in, SYE installed and new tires/wheels.

SYE installed and waiting for my Tom Woods driveshaft to come in.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52224&d=1627433296

Rear Upper adjustable arms installed and the axle is aimed at the yoke on the transfer case:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52225&d=1627433296

And my favorite part:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52223&d=1627433296

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52222&d=1627433296

Java

July 28th, 2021, 06:49 AM

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

FINOCJ

July 28th, 2021, 09:26 AM

That jeep on 31s is going to wheel great....wheel it hard and enjoy it.

Schmitty

July 28th, 2021, 02:42 PM

That jeep on 31s is going to wheel great

I think it will. Might even have it ready for some wheelin' this weekend!

Schmitty

July 29th, 2021, 04:28 PM

Got the Woody yoked up...

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52230&d=1627593778

Took it out for a spin, damn this thing rides a helluva lot better than it did the day I drove it home. Taking it up Bunce School Road for a little shakedown run (This time I'll have my own recovery gear and winch lol).

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52231&d=1627593857

FINOCJ

July 29th, 2021, 04:57 PM

Nice...Red Cone on Sat?

TDash

July 29th, 2021, 05:25 PM

lookin real nice!

Schmitty

July 30th, 2021, 11:19 AM

Nice...Red Cone on Sat?

Perhaps. The front track bar is making a LOT of noise and the hole is wallowed out a little after the shakedown run last night. It's also dog slow in the mountains.

Findings from the shakedown run:
- 3.07 gearing is slow (I'm glad I opted for 31s now)
- bringing a small collection of tools is good, didn't tighten one of the shocks enough in the front and it started chattering
- these Dick Cepek Trail Country EXP tires are impressive, more on that later.
- the lower front trackbar mount is wallowed out a bit, not sure if that's an immediate result of my tinkering or something that was masked by previous mods.
- open diffs are o-kay... it was fun hanging out the side of the Jeep while crawling up some obstacles on Bunce School Rd watching the 4wd mechanically look for traction. You can really feel the system doing it's thing whereas in the 4runner just gripped. Maybe that was more of the traction control taking over in the 4runner I'm not sure. :confused:

Tires:
I bought the Dick Cepek Trail Country EXP in 31x10.5r15 and mounted them on a 15x8 steel wheel.
For anyone looking for an aggressive AT tire I would recommend these Dick Cepeks. They're quieter on the road than the General Grabbers that were on the 4runner and have as good or better bite. Normally I would air the Grabbers down to about 20psi for offroad stuff but these DCs are pretty stiff and required about 10psi before being compliant enough to really form around rocks and such.
I'm interested to see how they perform in the snow but I'm impressed so far. Considering they're not hyped up much and carry a low cost (paid $750 for 5) I'm a little surprised.
Just some $0.02 for those who may be in the market... these are worth considering.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52233&d=1627661516

Schmitty

August 2nd, 2021, 03:44 PM

Despite my apprehension about traveling the distance to the group ride yesterday I went out on Saturday and faced the rain, a little inclement weather makes things interesting anyway.

I explored the 505.1 behind Eldora: Before getting to the gate there were two fallen trees blocking the path, thankfully they were light enough to pick up and move to the side of the trail. I continued onward to the gate then stopped to air-down and disconnect the front swaybar. At this point it was about 9am and a cool overcast was keeping temps unseasonably cool, added some moody anticipation for what was to come as well.

Good morning everyone:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52236&d=1627934224

Sauntering into the trail I his the first "obstacle" that's really just a tire placement test but it's been washed out a little, I took a little video explaining my approach as my old 2001 4runner dragged itself through this:

https://youtu.be/4qJA39E3U8o

Continuing up the path and through the woods, I love the forest, meandering a bit through some of the legs of the trail and ending up at the site of what I think is the remnants of the old Anchor Mine. By this time a heavy fog engulfed the forest and some light rain doused the region...

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52237&d=1627934897

I wandered around a bit and hard-parked the TJ on a rock for giggles. While it was flexed I took a close look at the components to see what clearances looked like and if it was hitting the bumpstops. nope! still about an inch before it hit the stops and plenty of fender clearance. Later on I determined that the rear swaybar is the limiting factor in this current setup, it may be small but it binds up the rear axle just enough to limit overall flexibility.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52238&d=1627935338

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52239&d=1627935768

Drove around a bit, taking note of the nice secluded campsites in the area, before cruising along. Eventually finding a nice covered spot to enjoy a sandwich and some peanut butter stout while the sounds of the raindrops patter on the soft top.

The rain kept varying in intensity between a light drizzle and a medium pour and as I moved closer in towards the Rainbow Lakes area I knew what was coming up as a result of the wet weather. Moving through the forest and hitting a few of the smaller mud pits I had this growing anticipation, as if I heard some kind of "Boss music" beginning to play in the distance. Then as the trail wound it's way through the trees it opened up to the monster blocking the path forward... I gazed into the abyss-like mud pit knowing it was a formidable foe that captured the likes of much more capable travelers than I, but I wasn't backing down. The TJ crept towards the gaping maw before plunging into the point of no return...

The little TJ made a plunk into the pit and gave a good fight before succumbing to the clutches of the soft clay-heavy soil that lie beneath the surface of the milkshake-like mud.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52235&d=1627933342

With the help of a tree strap (which I've aptly named "Strappy") and a quick tug from the winch the TJ's sunken fate was foiled and it was able to climb out of the hole with it's own power. I later had to turn the TJ around because I left Strappy at the tree. Never again.

The water crossings on the way out were much deeper than normal but offered the much needed rinse (read baptism) as we cruised away.

Lessons learned: make sure to charge your action-cam batteries before going out, it would have made telling this story much cooler with some on-board footage.

Till next time...

Max

August 2nd, 2021, 04:12 PM

Sounds like a fun time. That looks like some serious mud. I'm sure you're glad your winch worked!

Tom

August 2nd, 2021, 05:13 PM

Drove it last year. The obstacle was a non issue at the time and the mud hole was just a hole with no mud.

Schmitty

August 2nd, 2021, 06:33 PM

Sounds like a fun time. That looks like some serious mud.

Slicker than snot.

The obstacle was a non issue at the time and the mud home was just a hole with no mud.

Very cool, thank you.

Jim

August 2nd, 2021, 11:43 PM

`love the picture!

Hmmm - it's avatar material...

Schmitty

August 19th, 2021, 12:15 PM

At this point I've gotten a lot of the "big stuff" out of the way but a few things remain on my mind:
- Re-gear (not sure about 4.11 or 4.56 yet)
- Locker
- Replace the fog lights with some KC Driving Lights
- A stronger tailgate bracket... the rear door makes a ruckus when the Jeep is jounced and that's only going to get worse when I upgrade to 33's

Status Update:
- installed a new BesTop replace-a-top | sailcloth | spice | tinted windows, this weekend to ditch that ripped old one that you couldn't see out of.
- not really a mod but a personal touch "An appeal to heaven" UV resistant vinyl.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52279&d=1629392536

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52278&d=1629392536

open_circuit

August 19th, 2021, 12:18 PM

I am happy with the rugged ridge reinforced tailgate hinge on my rig. However, I wish I had just bought a new bumper with swing away carrier since I ended up replacing the bumper eventually too. Would have been cheaper to just go with a bumper solution up front for me.

Schmitty

August 19th, 2021, 02:24 PM

rugged ridge reinforced tailgate hinge
That's the exact one I have in mind, with the tilted tire mount as well. ;)

Schmitty

August 26th, 2021, 11:06 AM

The front rake has been bothering me a bit on the TJ and I decided to do something about it. Replaced the front spring isolators (about 5/8ths in) with a thicker one (1 1/2in). It definitely changed the "forward lean" I was feeling while sitting in the driver's seat.

Measured height at front from the top of the tire to the fender is 7 1/4in and the rear is at 8in, that's odd because the calculated difference between the stock isolator and spacer is 7/8in. There's still a tiny bit of rake but it feels "flat" like it did on the stock suspension. Noteworthy thing is that now the front fenders can clear 33in tires without and additional suspension/body lift so that's a huge plus.

I'm wondering how the 7/8ths change in ride height will affect the shock and bumpstops, the track bar needed no change and the steering drag link needed an almost imperceptible adjustment.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52296&d=1629993890

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52297&d=1629993890

Edit: yes, I see that my steering box is leaking. I'm ordering a rebuild kit soon as I suspect it's just the seals that have gone bad.

open_circuit

August 26th, 2021, 11:12 AM

The front rake has been bothering me a bit on the TJ and I decided to do something about it. Replaced the front spring isolators (about 5/8ths in) with a thicker one (1 1/2in). It definitely changed the "forward lean" I was feeling while sitting in the driver's seat.

Measured height at front from the top of the tire to the fender is 7 1/4in and the rear is at 8in, that's odd because the calculated difference between the stock isolator and spacer is 7/8in. There's still a tiny bit of rake but it feels "flat" like it did on the stock suspension. Noteworthy thing is that now the front fenders can clear 33in tires without and additional suspension/body lift so that's a huge plus.

I'm wondering how the 7/8ths change in ride height will affect the shock and bumpstops, the track bar needed no change and the steering drag link needed an almost imperceptible adjustment.

You noticed a change in rake after you installed a winch on the bumper? Weight out on the bumper puts the most leverage on the front suspension.

Schmitty

August 26th, 2021, 11:25 AM

You noticed a change in rake after you installed a winch on the bumper? Weight out on the bumper puts the most leverage on the front suspension.
Yeah, that makes sense. It's a hefty 12k winch too. I did have a winch installed prior to installing the JKS lift so I haven't seen how this lift sits without it.

Schmitty

October 13th, 2021, 03:01 PM

Quick update, no pics: Ditched that sloppy-weak 3-bolt TJ steering box for the more robust 4-bolt box from the YJ. Noticable improvement and it doesn't seem so darty or jittery over bumps anymore.

Schmitty

October 24th, 2021, 11:48 PM

I bought a welder. It's about to get more fun.

Schmitty

November 22nd, 2021, 08:13 AM

Things are happening... slowly.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52737&d=1637590276

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52738&d=1637590276

Jim

November 22nd, 2021, 10:13 AM

What's the plan in the rear?

Schmitty

November 22nd, 2021, 10:39 AM

Relocating the rear upper spring bucket to correct suspension geometry. Getting it ready for the 8.8 swap.

Schmitty

November 24th, 2021, 01:08 PM

Aaaaand burned it in. :thumb:

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52746&d=1637780880

Schmitty

January 31st, 2022, 08:02 AM

Picked up some MJ axles HP30 and 8.25 a couple weeks ago...

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52872&d=1643637678

DETN8R

February 1st, 2022, 05:29 AM

Great thread so far! Looking forward to see how the build turns out.

Schmitty

February 1st, 2022, 11:38 AM

Great thread so far! Looking forward to see how the build turns out.
Thanks man, I just found a D44 here in Longmont that I'm haggling the guy on right now so might ditch the 8.25 for that.

jayson44

February 2nd, 2022, 08:11 AM

yeah, that 8.25 isn't going to be as great a swap donor. I'd keep looking for the 8.8 or something else. that 44 would also be much better.

J.

Schmitty

February 2nd, 2022, 11:16 AM

Yeah I'm aware. Though plenty of XJ guys out there rocking 35's on an 8.25 without problems?

jayson44

February 2nd, 2022, 12:58 PM

Though plenty of XJ guys out there rocking 35's on an 8.25 without problems?

mostly because that's what came with their XJs...if you're going through the trouble of cutting off and welding new brackets, you should probably do it on an axle that has a much better aftermarket support and is stronger by a long ways. the 8.8 has 31 spline shafts from the factory and disc brakes, has just as many options for upgrades as a 44 or 60, and will take the same amount of work as the 8.25.

just my opinion, but I'd definitely try to sell the 8.25 to an XJ guy who was stuck with a 35 and get yourself an 8.8.

J.

derf

February 2nd, 2022, 05:01 PM

The 8.25 is in the same neighborhood as the Dana 44 and Ford 8.8. Weakest of the 3 but built right it's "close enough".

It's easy to upgrade the earlier 27 spline axles to 29 spline to be closer to the Dana 44 and 8.8. Especially if you're regearing and/or adding a locker. No changes to the housing. Just the spider gears in the diff and the shafts.

The 44 has the most aftermarket support. The Ford 8.8 has some aftermarket.

I held out for a Dana 44 for my XJ that I sold a while back. But mostly because I found a bolt in from a donor XJ and didn't have to modify the brackets. I would have been fine building an 8.25 from an XJ if I hadn't found the 44.

A bolt in TJ Dana 44 would be ideal if you can get one. But even if you do, it's a good idea to look into upgrading the factory link brackets anyway. I've seen several that have torn out when wheeled hard.

Schmitty

February 3rd, 2022, 08:31 PM

I am profoundly retarded and will be building the 8.25. It has a Trac-Loc limited slip which I'm working on rebuilding. I'll upgrade it to 29-spline when I put a locker in it. So far I've cut brackets and taken a wire wheel to the whole thing, it's kinda slow because I have other financial obligations right now but I like the work and look forward to building it up and learning in the process.

Jim

February 3rd, 2022, 09:22 PM

I like the work and look forward to building it up and learning in the process.

:thumb:

FINOCJ

February 3rd, 2022, 10:58 PM

I am profoundly retarded and will be building.... it's kinda slow because I have other financial obligations right now but I like the work and look forward to building it up and learning in the process.

Yup....story of my jeep life and work....

Schmitty

February 4th, 2022, 09:19 AM

My plan is to build the 8.25, leave the limited slip for now, and convert it to disc brakes. Regear to 4.56 for 33s (debating Ko2 vs Km3). I have a MORE 1in body lift waiting to be installed. And I'm either swapping out to OME shocks or Rancho5000x because these Jspec ones on it now leave a lot to be desired.

In the past couple months I've installed:
- Electric fan conversion (Taurus fan) with continuously variable module and temperature probe (set at 185* now)
- new headlights (the stock glass just doesn't illuminate the road and it's a safety issue)
- KC Apollo lights on the bumper
- hand throttle (which doubles as cruise control if you want, my favorite mod next to the electric fan)

My takeaway from last year wheelin' gave me perspective, I regret not getting 33s right off the bat but wheeling on 3.07s would have really sucked. I banged up the skid plates, control arms (broke a couple), bent control arm brackets, dented the gas tank "skid", even debeaded a tire and bent a wheel :lmao:. The intent moving forward is to get a little more serious: 33s, regear, replace the D35, start tucking the underframe, armor it up a little especially protecting the gas tank, and maybe a locker if I can fit it somewhere into the budget.

FINOCJ

February 4th, 2022, 09:45 AM

(debating Ko2 vs Km3)
no debate....km3 is the choice

Schmitty

February 4th, 2022, 09:53 AM

no debate....km3 is the choice

I've read about it a bit and they sound like a badass tire but haven't heard anyone's testimony on them. What's the scoop?

Jim

February 4th, 2022, 10:07 AM

I'd appreciate some info on the elect fan parts list and your thoughts on the project (gotcha's, difficulty, outcome performance).

Schmitty

February 4th, 2022, 10:29 AM

I'd appreciate some info on the elect fan parts list and your thoughts on the project (gotcha's, difficulty, outcome performance).

Absolutely! I'll do a little tech-writeup.

Schmitty

February 10th, 2022, 10:10 AM

Nothing special but I installed the MORE 1in body lift to begin the tummy tuck process. Had an "oh ****" moment aligning the tub with the frame so the bolts didn't crossthread. Looks nice, it's quieter inside, and there appears to be less NVH??? Either way, seems like a win.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52897&d=1644509330

Jim

February 10th, 2022, 10:29 AM

Nice! Glad it's doing what you want.

Did any of the bolts give you grief at loosening? Mine came with body lift and I heard that the bolts behind the driver/pass seats can be notably difficult.

Schmitty

February 10th, 2022, 10:47 AM

Did any of the bolts give you grief at loosening?

The middle one on the pass-side was a little "chirpy" when I broke it loose but the rest spun out with ease. There was a little surface corrosion present because the shiny new bolts got a little "grabby" when putting them in and I had to check a couple times to make sure I wasn't cross-threading anything. Sprayed a little PBBlaster in a couple of the threaded holes to help.

On another note I was apprehensive about installing a body lift because of the stigma. Did a lot of digging around on the internet and it seems like standard practice to install a 1in BL for clearancing things that hang low. Replacing the stock transfer case pan and gas tank cover for something a little more beefy and provide some tucking is the goal.

Schmitty

February 22nd, 2022, 04:31 PM

New tank skid, who dis?

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/img_20220220_163631_653-jpg.311083/

Schmitty

July 23rd, 2022, 06:09 PM

The tummy tuck is complete on the TJ. Did the first shakedown run after all the stuff I've done; Electric fan, UCF ultra high clearance transfer case skid, hand-throttle, gas tank skid, and new shocks. Haven't had the chance to get out so I took a chance with MSV this morning, the mosquitos decided to join me... many of them.

Nothing special yet, it's a plain-Jane TJ.

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53606&d=1658617336

I took this photo as well.

https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/share/44686103&domainId=1

Max

July 23rd, 2022, 06:21 PM

Damn, that's a lot of upgrades you got done! You may think it looks plain Jane, but you know the good upgrades it has under its skin. All good functional stuff.

Jim

July 23rd, 2022, 06:24 PM

All good functional stuff.

Second the motion!

Beautiful Sawtooth pic.

Schmitty

July 23rd, 2022, 06:34 PM

All good functional stuff.

My better judgment keeps me humble. I think the TJ is an expression of that for sure.

Beautiful Sawtooth pic.

Thanks! It took a while to get that nice glassy water.

Schmitty

July 24th, 2022, 02:27 PM

It appears the little burble in the idle and whatnot are signs of a misfire, the fuel pump was on it's way out and replacing it seems to have shined the light on the real problem.

Through diagnosis it appears cylinder 3 and 6 spark plugs are pretty sooty, all the others look normal. I replaced them all maybe 6 months ago.

Next was to check the injectors:
Brought motor to operating temperature. Measurements taken in ohms:

Cylinder 1: 13.2
Cylinder 2: 13.3
Cylinder 3: 13.3
Cylinder 4: 13.1
Cylinder 5: 13.4
Cylinder 6: 13.4

These are all within spec for operating resistance on injectors for the 4.0L. I did however swap injector 6 with injector 5 and the Code 27 moved with it, making it a misfire on 3,5,& 6.

I guess that means it's time to replace a couple injectors, however the hard start is still a problem and it's making me think the PCM might be on the way out.

Jim

July 24th, 2022, 03:59 PM

the hard start is still a problem

Elaborate on hard start please - hard when hot / when cold / when not run for a period of time? Where I'm leading is what is your fuel rail pressure - is it too low / is your fuel rail pressure regulator / dump valve open and dumping fuel to return thus lowering rail/injector pressure?

Schmitty

July 24th, 2022, 05:25 PM

Elaborate on hard start please
It's a hard start when cold and hot. The new fuel pump I installed came with a new return valve.

Schmitty

July 24th, 2022, 09:04 PM

Update: Pulled the Idle Air Controller... it was caked in soot.

Cleaned it up and blasted out the throttle body. Three shop towels completely blacked out.

Put everything back together and it fired right up. I'll let it sit overnight to see if that was really the issue.

Schmitty

July 27th, 2022, 09:36 AM

I've trashed the 8.25 build plans and picking up an 8.8 (assuming it's clean) from a yard this week. It's got 4.10s, Trac-Loc, and disc brakes, big upgrade coming.

Why? I discovered that the MJ 8.25 (1991) axle I bought is actually weaker than the D35... It also will cost a lot more to swap in money and time.

Jim

July 27th, 2022, 09:43 AM

Good catch!

jayson44

July 27th, 2022, 10:27 AM

the 8.8 will be stronger than anything you'll need and the aftermarket is much better.

J.

Schmitty

August 3rd, 2022, 01:23 PM

enid

Schmitty

August 11th, 2022, 11:31 AM

8.8 Build:

Teardown and soaked in seafoam

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220801_225806256-jpg.348326/

Cut off the brackets and smoothed out the welds. Some minor pitting on the surface after scrubbing some of the surface rust off, I'm not going to worry about it.

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220803_005330637-jpg.348328/

Popped the cover and did a spin test to verify it is actually 4.10 gears, which it is... I spy a little LSD in there. https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.6/png/unicode/64/1f440.png

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220730_145933628-jpg.348332/

Brackets should be coming in a few days, then I can start making marks on the axle and setting pinion angle.

Got the brackets in today... unfortunately the fellas at ECGS can't read and didn't include the flange and other stuff I ordered... but I have enough to be dangerous...

Mocked up the brackets and started marking things with a paint pen. Had to draw a bead on the spring pads so they were a little more snug on the 8.8 tubes.

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/1659755556333-png.348645/

I read on Iron Rock Offroad's site that if you're using an SYE that it's a good idea to set the pinion angle to 16* so I'll get that all leveled out in my garage (like a 2* slope in my garage) and start tacking things on.

Judging by the fitment of one of the swaybar brackets I don't think I'll be able to weld the tube all the way around on that side... Maybe I can weld a bead and grind it down a bit to make it work.

If my math checks out all the bracket locations should be corrected for actual measured axle here:
https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/axle-measurements-jpg.350161/

Placed some plywood under the rear tires as a template, marked the center of the spring perches:
https://wranglertjforum.com/data/attachments/350/350129-64f59504da4ae21936e76ac0d4272858.jpg (https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/img_20220809_190131_006-jpg.350162/)

Pulled the template, marked center line on template and the 8.8 axle I'm working with, lined up the center line marks and verified with an angle:
https://wranglertjforum.com/data/attachments/350/350130-2e97b1b1003481d0611b1fee0b074739.jpg (https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220810_233255286-jpg.350163/)

https://wranglertjforum.com/data/attachments/350/350131-352cacae688a1c33c4c719746637eca4.jpg (https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220810_233330856-jpg.350164/)

Turns out my math worked and everything lined up perfectly. Waiting on the yoke to come in... still... then I can finish fitment, tacking brackets into place, and final burn in.

Schmitty

August 20th, 2022, 09:45 AM

Max

August 20th, 2022, 11:05 AM

9.5 inches wide! Studdable.

Java

August 21st, 2022, 08:22 AM

Well... I found THE tires... 33x9.5r15. Check these babies out!

https://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53697&d=1661006517

You can get them at Walmart for a pretty good price too! I'm sure it'll go down by the time I go to buy them... hopefully. :lmao:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kenda-Klever-R-T-LT-33X9-50R15-Load-C-6-Ply-RT-Rugged-Terrain-Tire/524149349

Some of the guys on Ih8MUD have been raving about them: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/fyi-kenda-klever-r-t-kr601-new-size-on-the-way-33x9-50r15lt.1248468/page-2

I really like the tread, kind of like a more aggressive General Grabber. I had no idea anyone made a 33x9.50 anymore, thanks for posting this. I clicked on the link in the ih8mud link you put up and the Walmart Rollback seems to be active with the price at $206.00 per tire https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kenda-Klever-R-T-KR601-LT33X9-50R15-113Q-C-Tire/310713867?selectedSellerId=0&&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9030289&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=310713867&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3v6SBhCsARIsACyrRAn_E_v5kOqNZCbPf7US QEQ43S0h0uxng8xE_QNglXbpydPiQPdqjk4aAiMtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_SsQTer22GxyNR2JVgA0chTvNUkDUAyWVpyGE1 00&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_10078&clickid=SsQTer22GxyNR2JVgA0chTvNUkDUAyWVpyGE100&sharedid=ih8mud.com&affiliates_ad_id=612734&campaign_id=9383

I've been shopping out 33s too and these are the best deal in mud tires https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S4QCWZR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2KZKDYCCSHZAE&th=1

Schmitty

September 4th, 2022, 08:22 AM

Threw the axle in after tacking things together, checked to make sure everything aligned properly. Cycled the axle to make sure nothing weird was going on like an interference or binding.

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220903_005217175-jpg.356933/

The rear long shocks I ordered are a little longer than I expected
https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220902_190604249-jpg.356934/

https://wranglertjforum.com/attachments/pxl_20220903_005304024-jpg.356935/

Cycled the suspension a few times, pulled it out, and welded the brackets on. Not bad for FCAW.

Here's the axle being cycled: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiBMXlYpSfA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiBMXlYpSfA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)