Brody
February 5th, 2009, 07:24 AM
63" FAQ
What year and vehicle do you get the springs from?
The correct years are 1988-1998 1/2 ton Chevy or GMC truck. Don't listen
to anyone otherwise. And don't worry about the front suspension it does
not matter. You only need the rear springs. Those are the only
years you can get 63 inchers.
Where do I get these springs?
From a boneyard! All you need is the rear springs off an 1988-1998 1/2 ton
Chevy or GMC truck.
Does it matter if it's from a 2WD or 4WD?
No it does not matter if they are from a 2WD or 4WD. The 2WD have 3 leaves
plus an overload leaf. The 4WD have 4 leaves plus an overload leaf. The
2WD are the most desirable because they are softer with only 3 main leaves and are
good on a pickup. You can use the 4WD but you will have to pull out one leaf. Don't get me wrong the 4
leaves will work but most guys run 3 plus overload leaf. Some just run
only three leaves.
Also some people run add-a-leafs too. Just depends on what you want to
achieve.
How much should I pay for the springs?
Pay no more than $100 a pair. Most local Denver area junkyards charge $15 per spring
How do I mount these loooog springs to my Toyota?
You must get a new front spring hanger and weld it on the flat part of the
frame forward of the stock spring hanger.
For the rear shackle hanger, you can either go with a double shackle
set-up (very popular) or weld on a new hanger back about 4 inches from
stock.
Where do I get new front spring hangers?
You can either buy Jeep CJ spring hangers (some say they hang kinda low)
or make your own out of 3.5" x 3.5" x 1/4" or 3/16" square tube.
You can't use the Chevy front hangers they are shaped to oddly to work.
Can you explain the double shackle set-up?
Ok the double shackle set-up works like this. You connect one Toyota style
shackle from the factory rear hanger (let it lay flat against the frame)
to another shackle going straight down to the spring. Most people run the
stock Chevy shackle as the second one that mounts to the spring. Or you
can make your own shackles.
Doing the double shackle set-up is just a cheaper and easier way to do the
rear of the springs. No need to weld in a new hanger. It also gives you a
bunch of extra suspension droop, which is a good thing!
How far forward do I mount the new front spring hanger?
If you are replacing 48" long stock springs, Mount them 11" forward of the
stock spring hanger center hole to center hole. This will position the
axle in stock location. Or drop a plumb line from the frame down to the
center pin of your stock springs. Leave it there. Take off stock springs
and line up the Chevys.
On 3rd gen trucks, mount the front hanger 9" To 9 1/2". 9" the axle will
sit slightly rear of center and 9 1/2" should get the axle centered.
On 1998-2000 Tacomas mount the front spring hangers forward 7.5 inches.
Earlier Tacomas have shorter springs, but I don't have the measurements
for those.
Some new info from Grabber(Pirate4x4 BB) for 89-95 trucks: I did a double
shackle set-up leaving the rear shackle hanger in the stock location. Here
are all the specs: Front spring hanger was mounted 8 1/2" forward of the
stock hanger, eye to eye. ( I stated; I did it 9" before, but is actually
8 1/2", really 9" would be about perfect, but the less you go forward the
better the double shackle will set up, I forgot and lost the info I had
written down on my computer. Sorry.) I then used 2" x 3/8" Flat bar for
the shackles. The top shackle is 5 1/2" with 3/4" washers on the inside of
the shackle against the bushings (to space it slightly). Then I used an 8"
shackle for the second shackle, putting it inside the top shackle, with a
pipe spacer and washers between the bottom shackle (I used a 3/4" bolt at
6" for this, and size 9/16" to 3/4" will work fine). This leaves the
bottom shackle slightly angled back. Looks and works good. With the mount
being 8 1/2" forward of the other mount on 89'-95' trucks (which I think
is really the best spot), you may need to lengthen your year drive- shaft
about an 1" or 2", it works but its way down on the splines. I had another
driveshaft out of a 79' that had new u-joints in it, and it work perfect,
they are slightly longer. And I am using the stock d-shaft as spare, it
should work fine as a spare. I have a buddy who put his mount at 9 1/2"
and I will let you know how that worked out, as far as the drive-shaft and
rubbing in the wheel well at full compression. But even with the d-shaft
problem I feel 8 1/2" puts the wheel in the perfect spot. Another way of
placing it, if you have a 2nd gen. 4runner, is to put it exactly in the
center of the body mount at that location. That is where 8 1/2" ends up.
Since 4runners dont have an original mount.
How wide are the Chevy springs compared to Toy springs?
The chevy springs are 2-1/2" wide and Toyota is about 2-1/4" wide. Please
note on the Chevy's that the sleeve in the bushings at both ends of the
spring is 3" wide. That's why you must use 3 1/2" box tube (1/4" or 3/16"
wall) for the front hanger (3" on the internal width).
Can I use Toyota stock U-bolts and spring plates?
Yes you can use the stock Toyota U-bolt but you will have to grind the
springs a little bit to get them to fit.
What about a u-bolt flip kit? Can I just flip the factory u-bolts and
spring plates?
No. You will need new u-bolts and a flat piece of 1/4 or 3/8 steel to
mount on top of the springs.
How much lift do these springs give?
You will get about 2-3" of lift. But the springs are very soft, so most
people end up using some lift blocks or add-a-leafs as well. A 2-3" lift block welded to the existing perch is best.
Should I run bumpstops?
Yes! They must be big enough to stop the springs from going too much past
flat, they bend right near the front mount if you go to far. So bumpstops
are a must!
What length should the shackle from the frame to second shackle be? What
about the second shackle?
Length of shackle from frame to second shackle should be about 5 1/2"-6"
eye to eye. Length of shackle from first shackle to spring eye should be
about 3 1/2" eye to eye or you can just use the stock Chevy one.
What size bolts do I need to mount the springs?
9/16 x 5" grade 8 bolts with lock nuts for the spring eyes. 19mm or 3/4 x
5" for the rear factory hanger
Can I still carry heavy loads with these springs?
Yes, especially if it has the overload. Remember, these springs came off
of 1/2 ton trucks, they can support a decent load.
Can I put Chevy springs on a Tacoma?
Yes. Many people have done it successfully. For 1998-2000 mount the front
spring hangers forward 7.5 inches. Earlier Tacomas have shorter springs,
but I don't have the measurements for those.
Do I have to remove the gas tank to weld on the passenger side spring
hanger?
No you don't have to, but it would be easier to weld if you do. You can
get away with only welding three sides of the hanger and by filling a
9/16" hole in the middle of the hanger with weld. It will work. Just make
sure you keep the gas tank skid plate on and shield it also. It is also a
good idea to drill some slots or 1/2" holes for rosette welds on the gas tank side.
How is the ride with these springs?
The ride is excellent on the street and even better off road. LOTS-O-FLEX
and they ride like a Cadillac! There is such a big difference between
these and stock springs that it's unbelievable.
Do I need to run a track bar with these springs? What about axle wrap?
No a track bar isn't necessary. The leaves are plenty thick enough to
resist kinking. Also you can try using the factory Chevy overload leaf,
but cut the leaf flush at the rear of the spring pad and leave the front
about 8" long or so. This will help prevent any axle wrap.
Can I run these springs under the axle?
Yeah. But why would you want to? Unless you were building a prerunner. LOL
Is it worth it to mount these springs on an IFS Toyota?
DEFINITELY! It will make a HUGE difference.
Can I just buy aftermarket lift springs for an 88-98 Chevy truck?
Yes you could but the whole purpose of this swap is you get the most bang
for the buck out of stock Chevy springs. If you buy aftermarket springs
you will pay through the nose!
Can I still run a stock rear driveline with this swap?
Yes!
Will I need longer shocks?
Yes! You will definitely want longer shocks to take advantage of all that
new travel you gained. Get Rancho 5012 or 9012's or Procomps. Bilstein
5100 series are also great shocks.
If I attach them to an IFS truck without a front end lift, will it stick
the rear end WAY up in the air?
No, as long as you only run three leaves with no lift blocks you should be
fine.
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What year and vehicle do you get the springs from?
The correct years are 1988-1998 1/2 ton Chevy or GMC truck. Don't listen
to anyone otherwise. And don't worry about the front suspension it does
not matter. You only need the rear springs. Those are the only
years you can get 63 inchers.
Where do I get these springs?
From a boneyard! All you need is the rear springs off an 1988-1998 1/2 ton
Chevy or GMC truck.
Does it matter if it's from a 2WD or 4WD?
No it does not matter if they are from a 2WD or 4WD. The 2WD have 3 leaves
plus an overload leaf. The 4WD have 4 leaves plus an overload leaf. The
2WD are the most desirable because they are softer with only 3 main leaves and are
good on a pickup. You can use the 4WD but you will have to pull out one leaf. Don't get me wrong the 4
leaves will work but most guys run 3 plus overload leaf. Some just run
only three leaves.
Also some people run add-a-leafs too. Just depends on what you want to
achieve.
How much should I pay for the springs?
Pay no more than $100 a pair. Most local Denver area junkyards charge $15 per spring
How do I mount these loooog springs to my Toyota?
You must get a new front spring hanger and weld it on the flat part of the
frame forward of the stock spring hanger.
For the rear shackle hanger, you can either go with a double shackle
set-up (very popular) or weld on a new hanger back about 4 inches from
stock.
Where do I get new front spring hangers?
You can either buy Jeep CJ spring hangers (some say they hang kinda low)
or make your own out of 3.5" x 3.5" x 1/4" or 3/16" square tube.
You can't use the Chevy front hangers they are shaped to oddly to work.
Can you explain the double shackle set-up?
Ok the double shackle set-up works like this. You connect one Toyota style
shackle from the factory rear hanger (let it lay flat against the frame)
to another shackle going straight down to the spring. Most people run the
stock Chevy shackle as the second one that mounts to the spring. Or you
can make your own shackles.
Doing the double shackle set-up is just a cheaper and easier way to do the
rear of the springs. No need to weld in a new hanger. It also gives you a
bunch of extra suspension droop, which is a good thing!
How far forward do I mount the new front spring hanger?
If you are replacing 48" long stock springs, Mount them 11" forward of the
stock spring hanger center hole to center hole. This will position the
axle in stock location. Or drop a plumb line from the frame down to the
center pin of your stock springs. Leave it there. Take off stock springs
and line up the Chevys.
On 3rd gen trucks, mount the front hanger 9" To 9 1/2". 9" the axle will
sit slightly rear of center and 9 1/2" should get the axle centered.
On 1998-2000 Tacomas mount the front spring hangers forward 7.5 inches.
Earlier Tacomas have shorter springs, but I don't have the measurements
for those.
Some new info from Grabber(Pirate4x4 BB) for 89-95 trucks: I did a double
shackle set-up leaving the rear shackle hanger in the stock location. Here
are all the specs: Front spring hanger was mounted 8 1/2" forward of the
stock hanger, eye to eye. ( I stated; I did it 9" before, but is actually
8 1/2", really 9" would be about perfect, but the less you go forward the
better the double shackle will set up, I forgot and lost the info I had
written down on my computer. Sorry.) I then used 2" x 3/8" Flat bar for
the shackles. The top shackle is 5 1/2" with 3/4" washers on the inside of
the shackle against the bushings (to space it slightly). Then I used an 8"
shackle for the second shackle, putting it inside the top shackle, with a
pipe spacer and washers between the bottom shackle (I used a 3/4" bolt at
6" for this, and size 9/16" to 3/4" will work fine). This leaves the
bottom shackle slightly angled back. Looks and works good. With the mount
being 8 1/2" forward of the other mount on 89'-95' trucks (which I think
is really the best spot), you may need to lengthen your year drive- shaft
about an 1" or 2", it works but its way down on the splines. I had another
driveshaft out of a 79' that had new u-joints in it, and it work perfect,
they are slightly longer. And I am using the stock d-shaft as spare, it
should work fine as a spare. I have a buddy who put his mount at 9 1/2"
and I will let you know how that worked out, as far as the drive-shaft and
rubbing in the wheel well at full compression. But even with the d-shaft
problem I feel 8 1/2" puts the wheel in the perfect spot. Another way of
placing it, if you have a 2nd gen. 4runner, is to put it exactly in the
center of the body mount at that location. That is where 8 1/2" ends up.
Since 4runners dont have an original mount.
How wide are the Chevy springs compared to Toy springs?
The chevy springs are 2-1/2" wide and Toyota is about 2-1/4" wide. Please
note on the Chevy's that the sleeve in the bushings at both ends of the
spring is 3" wide. That's why you must use 3 1/2" box tube (1/4" or 3/16"
wall) for the front hanger (3" on the internal width).
Can I use Toyota stock U-bolts and spring plates?
Yes you can use the stock Toyota U-bolt but you will have to grind the
springs a little bit to get them to fit.
What about a u-bolt flip kit? Can I just flip the factory u-bolts and
spring plates?
No. You will need new u-bolts and a flat piece of 1/4 or 3/8 steel to
mount on top of the springs.
How much lift do these springs give?
You will get about 2-3" of lift. But the springs are very soft, so most
people end up using some lift blocks or add-a-leafs as well. A 2-3" lift block welded to the existing perch is best.
Should I run bumpstops?
Yes! They must be big enough to stop the springs from going too much past
flat, they bend right near the front mount if you go to far. So bumpstops
are a must!
What length should the shackle from the frame to second shackle be? What
about the second shackle?
Length of shackle from frame to second shackle should be about 5 1/2"-6"
eye to eye. Length of shackle from first shackle to spring eye should be
about 3 1/2" eye to eye or you can just use the stock Chevy one.
What size bolts do I need to mount the springs?
9/16 x 5" grade 8 bolts with lock nuts for the spring eyes. 19mm or 3/4 x
5" for the rear factory hanger
Can I still carry heavy loads with these springs?
Yes, especially if it has the overload. Remember, these springs came off
of 1/2 ton trucks, they can support a decent load.
Can I put Chevy springs on a Tacoma?
Yes. Many people have done it successfully. For 1998-2000 mount the front
spring hangers forward 7.5 inches. Earlier Tacomas have shorter springs,
but I don't have the measurements for those.
Do I have to remove the gas tank to weld on the passenger side spring
hanger?
No you don't have to, but it would be easier to weld if you do. You can
get away with only welding three sides of the hanger and by filling a
9/16" hole in the middle of the hanger with weld. It will work. Just make
sure you keep the gas tank skid plate on and shield it also. It is also a
good idea to drill some slots or 1/2" holes for rosette welds on the gas tank side.
How is the ride with these springs?
The ride is excellent on the street and even better off road. LOTS-O-FLEX
and they ride like a Cadillac! There is such a big difference between
these and stock springs that it's unbelievable.
Do I need to run a track bar with these springs? What about axle wrap?
No a track bar isn't necessary. The leaves are plenty thick enough to
resist kinking. Also you can try using the factory Chevy overload leaf,
but cut the leaf flush at the rear of the spring pad and leave the front
about 8" long or so. This will help prevent any axle wrap.
Can I run these springs under the axle?
Yeah. But why would you want to? Unless you were building a prerunner. LOL
Is it worth it to mount these springs on an IFS Toyota?
DEFINITELY! It will make a HUGE difference.
Can I just buy aftermarket lift springs for an 88-98 Chevy truck?
Yes you could but the whole purpose of this swap is you get the most bang
for the buck out of stock Chevy springs. If you buy aftermarket springs
you will pay through the nose!
Can I still run a stock rear driveline with this swap?
Yes!
Will I need longer shocks?
Yes! You will definitely want longer shocks to take advantage of all that
new travel you gained. Get Rancho 5012 or 9012's or Procomps. Bilstein
5100 series are also great shocks.
If I attach them to an IFS truck without a front end lift, will it stick
the rear end WAY up in the air?
No, as long as you only run three leaves with no lift blocks you should be
fine.
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