Jenny Creek proposal

[Rob]

Working for a newspaper, I get stuff from government agencies all the time. The Forest Service's SOPA list came across my desk today and I glanced through it to see what our friends are up to.

This item caught my eye:

Description: The US Forest Services proposes to reroute approximately 3/4 of a mile of a four-wheeled drive road out of a creek bed, and restore the current road to near natural conditions.

That would be Jenny Creek.

Development on the proposal starts in January, and work is expected to start next September and finish in August 2011.

Not sure what the scope of it is, but it sounds like the trail would no longer run through the creek.

Something to keep an eye on.


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Here's the project contact:

Beverly Baker
303-541-2517
bbaker@fs.fed.us

[Funrover]

Sheesh... Thanks for the heaeds up!

[Brody]

Hey FS...thanks a ****load!

This is actually the second time that they have done essentially the same thing. I never ran the trail before the first time they re routed it, but what I understand from people who did, the trail followed the creek bed for about twice what it does now..

Do we not have better things to do with tax payer's money that make a little more sense, or is this a really important issue ?

[Mporter]

I mean, I can understand their standpoint in wanting to preserve the resources and everything but honestly.....if they have programs like "Stay the Trail" and others like it...it shouldn't really be a problem, just make a hefty fine or punishment for people who don't abide.

[Brody]

Well, they spent around $90k to damn near pave Slaughterhouse Gulch, turning a nice trail into something that you can take a beater 68 Chevy Impala down and probably more doing the same thing to Dakan Mountain Road. I simply do not understand the reasoning (if any) behind doing this kind of crap to what is supposed to be a 4x4 trail...nor do I understand the seemingly needless expenditure of tax money better used elsewhere. It's no damn wonder we are in such a financial hole with this kind of mentality ....

[WINKY]

we were probably getting too much dirt or rubber in the water... the fish were ******** bout it..... damn fish....

[Mporter]

we were probably getting too much dirt or rubber in the water... the fish were ******** bout it..... damn fish....

YOU LIKE THE DIRT, DEAL WITH IT FISH!:cool:

[Chris]

Just confirmed this Rob. The creek will be closed to motorized vehicle's, maybe even a bridge across the creek crossing. Matt, oil & fish don't get along and this isn't a bad thing as everyone that fishes would agree.

[Mporter]

Just confirmed this Rob. The creek will be closed to motorized vehicle's, maybe even a bridge across the creek crossing. Matt, oil & fish don't get along and this isn't a bad thing as everyone that fishes would agree.

What about fish oil? :lol: just kiddin

[ShutUpHippie]

Well, they spent around $90k to damn near pave Slaughterhouse Gulch, turning a nice trail into something that you can take a beater 68 Chevy Impala down and probably more doing the same thing to Dakan Mountain Road. I simply do not understand the reasoning (if any) behind doing this kind of crap to what is supposed to be a 4x4 trail...nor do I understand the seemingly needless expenditure of tax money better used elsewhere. It's no damn wonder we are in such a financial hole with this kind of mentality ....

That sounds like a question to ask that contact Rob supplied

[Rob]

Just confirmed this Rob. The creek will be closed to motorized vehicle's, maybe even a bridge across the creek crossing. Matt, oil & fish don't get along and this isn't a bad thing as everyone that fishes would agree.

As long as they don't close the trail, it's probably not a bad thing to keep rigs out of the creek. Still, I'm glad I got to run it a couple times, once each way. We're losing too many trails.

I recently heard the Forest Service just permanently closed Tellico in Tenn/NC.

Based on my last trip on Jenny Creek, it looks like at least one section of the trail that's not in the creek will need some major repair work.

[Chris]

The last time I ran JC there was a tippy section that was scary and people had bypassed it through the creek. That kind of stuff gets trails closed. I don't know the part you mention though Rob since we just did a quick in & out and didn't go up hill into the woods.

[Hypoid]

From the first paragraph of the Trail Damage write up: "This trail is a novelty in Colorado because it lets you drive along and across Jenny Creek. It's probably the most running water you can drive through in Colorado, making it a popular trail."

http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=17

I remember directing people into the creek at one junction. The part that went into the trees was a dead-end.

Keeping automotive fluids out of the water sounds as plausible as any other guess.

[Brody]

I don't know the part you mention though Rob since we just did a quick in & out and didn't go up hill into the woods.

That section is actually an ATV trail...or very old Jeep trail...like a very old NARROW Jeep. We ran this trail the first time we did Jenny Creek and it does go all the way through. How do we know? We got so committed to it that we weren't going to be able to back up or get turned around without taking some trees out. As it was, we had almost no paint on the sides of the exo cage, and had a large chunk of bark stuck between the rim and the tire on one side. when that tire got changed months later, they found a chunk of bark the size of a paperback book inside the tire...We felt like singing "Pinball Wizard" the whole time on this.

Personally, I think the 'fish' thing is absolute BS. You can tell by looking at the creek that it is simply brimming with fish....right. About like saying they are closing the trail or sections of it to protect the extremely rare, soon to be extinct, blue eye vole or some other such crap or the triple throated, double breasted, three legged warbler...

[Mporter]

Probably for a CJ5, they are pretty small

[Air Randy]

Personally, I think the 'fish' thing is absolute BS. You can tell by looking at the creek that it is simply brimming with fish....right. About like saying they are closing the trail or sections of it to protect the extremely rare, soon to be extinct, blue eye vole or some other such crap or the triple throated, double breasted, three legged warbler...

Well, eventually that water is going to run down into a larger creek, then a river, then into a reservoir. I'm all for keeping things cleaner even if this change results in only a miniscule difference. Having them re-route the trail to keep down pollution and silting is a much better option that having them just close down the trail.

[Brody]

Having them re-route the trail to keep down pollution and silting is a much better option that having them just close down the trail.

Too true...and this is something that they seem overly fond of doing at a rather alarming rate as it is. I'll take a bridge over a closed trail any day...it's just too bad that the money isn't being spent in anything that can be construed as 'constructive', especially in these economic times. That is the point I was trying to make...and the reason I mentioned both the Dakan and Slaughterhouse trails expenses...pretty damn needless expenditures right now..

[Gecko Cycles]

That section is actually an ATV trail...or very old Jeep trail...like a very old NARROW Jeep. We ran this trail the first time we did Jenny Creek and it does go all the way through. How do we know? We got so committed to it that we weren't going to be able to back up or get turned around without taking some trees out. As it was, we had almost no paint on the sides of the exo cage, and had a large chunk of bark stuck between the rim and the tire on one side. when that tire got changed months later, they found a chunk of bark the size of a paperback book inside the tire...We felt like singing "Pinball Wizard" the whole time on this.

Personally, I think the 'fish' thing is absolute BS. You can tell by looking at the creek that it is simply brimming with fish....right. About like saying they are closing the trail or sections of it to protect the extremely rare, soon to be extinct, blue eye vole or some other such crap or the triple throated, double breasted, three legged warbler...Trail entrances need to be better marked and an obstacle at the beginning that depicts what you could expect along the trail so that you don't run into getting over your head further down the trail and are forced to do things that you shouldn't nbe doing. Basically in survival mode at the expense of the trail.
ATV/Jeep trail should mean no full size rigs. When you pinball off the trees the forest service doesn't take too kindly to that and this kind of behavior ruins it for responsible users. I like driving up that creek but fully understand the ramifications if someone would to blow a tranny or something else while in the creek. I would feel just terrible if something like that happened to me while in the creek.

As for no fish in there, I have camped along that creek several times and I have caught pan size fish every time and was grateful to get that free tasty meal. I have come to expect to catch 6 to 8"ers in that creek. I have also caught my limit every time up at Jenny Lake too. Never had a bit of luck at Yankee Doodle Lake.

Attitudes like F*** the fish are not what I like to hear especially from the leaders of this site. I also don't appreciate the preaching of Stay the Trail while you drive off trail yourself like Pete did on Twin Cone across the Alpine Tundra which take hundreds of years to grow. I was not there but this looks like you are clearly driving off trail.

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If what I am saying offends the powers that be then feel free to remove my membership for I don't want to be part of this kind of thinking and rational.

[Chris]

Attitudes like F*** the fish are not what I like to hear especially from the leaders of this site.

I read through the thread trying to find the "F*** the fish" and couldn't


I was not there but this looks like you are clearly driving off trail.


Disqualifying statement: "I was not there but"

You're free to voice your opinions but stirring the pot for the sake of trying to be deleted is counter-productive.

[WINKY]

im not falling for this bait and hook.

[Brody]

Hell, Ken...this rant of yours is almost funny!...No...belay that...IT IS FUNNY! Why the little rant fest? To clarify a few things so that you don't have a coronary or something:


ATV/Jeep trail should mean no full size rigs. When you pinball off the trees the forest service doesn't take too kindly to that and this kind of behavior ruins it for responsible users.

This trail wasn't marked as an ATV trial and was merely a trail that looked like a spur road. We took it, as many others had before us...enough to make it look like the actual road...and found it a bit narrow. We weren't exactly happy about this, but it caused less damage than trying to turn around. Every tree we managed to hit had been hit before by much bigger rigs...Oh...by the way...you weren't there, were you? And...hey...I forgot about the tree you bashed when you flopped your rig! Tossed a band aid on that tree before you left, I'm sure...

As for no fish in there, I have camped along that creek several times and I have caught pan size fish every time and was grateful to get that free tasty meal. I have come to expect to catch 6 to 8"ers in that creek. I have also caught my limit every time up at Jenny Lake too. Never had a bit of luck at Yankee Doodle Lake.

I didn't know about there being fish there... MY POINT was: WHY ISN'T THIS MONEY BEING SPENT IN A MORE APPROPRIATE MANNER WHEN WE ARE IN THE ECONOMIC SITUATION WE ARE IN? Which I think I mentioned about 6 times...surprised you didn't catch it on the first 5....well, then again, maybe not...

Attitudes like F*** the fish are not what I like to hear especially from the leaders of this site.

Not a '****' the fish attitude at all. Not a 'leader of the site' either. We have no 'leaders'.

I also don't appreciate the preaching of Stay the Trail while you drive off trail yourself like Pete did on Twin Cone across the Alpine Tundra which take hundreds of years to grow. I was not there but this looks like you are clearly driving off trail.

Give it up Ken, for chrissakes. There are two sets of tracks here and have been ever since I first ran Twin Cone 15 years or more ago. The trail has two sets of tracks from almost the beginning of the uphill to almost the top of Twin Cone. Oh...and you weren't there, either, were you? From any other angle, you can see the other tracks. And, bottom line, you have been on runs with me, so you know that I don't 'drive off trail'. There happens to be a reason I have 'Stay the Trail' stickers on my rig and a handful in my truck and actually give them out a lot..

Take yer meds, dude...

If what I am saying offends the powers that be then feel free to remove my membership for I don't want to be part of this kind of thinking and rational.

I really just don't see the need for this attitude you got going on here.. And the 'I don't want to be a part of this thinking and rationale (spelling, Ken, spelling...)' is pretty off the charts... I don't believe I have ever been on any trail runs with anyone here who has intentionally gone 'off trial' and neither have you. Stay on the forum or not. It is really your call.

Kinda sorry you feel this way. Kinda surprised that if you had such feelings about my 'driving off trail on the tundra'...enough so that you have actually saved some pictures( flattered, BTW) of me 'in the act'...that you couldn't say something to me face to face like most guys I know would do......