November 1st Snow Run!

[ShutUpHippie]

Well home safely, had a blast!!

I am not 100% sure which trails we ended up running all day long, so I'll leave that for someone else. Chains were a big BIG plus on this run, as I would have been stuck on the big hills. Randy got stuck for at least an hour on the first big hill, and it took 3 Jeeps hooked together to get him up. (His outrageous winch helped a little too) We rode 5 people, 1 dog for about half the trail when Randy decided he didn't want to have an alternator melt-down... needless to say Hostess Snack Cakes were present :thunb:

Overall, a great day. It's always good to see new faces and to recognize some from before.

I didn't take a single picture :mad: but I look forward to the pics and videos that everyone else took.

-Rob

[Brody]

Matt and I had a good time, too! I only took a couple of pictures, but I think Matt took a bunch. We started on the middle entrance to Bunce School once we got through the drift blocking Middle St Vrain only to find the gate closed. We then took the Ironclads trail and that was when the fun really started. Almost everyone took a tow or had to winch at some point, but that was a pretty typical snow run.

There was nowhere near the 30+ inches of snow we were expecting either. It looked everyone who wanted to run MSV and Coney the day before ended up on Bunce and Ironclads as the trail was tracked up. This ended up being both good and bad as the tracks, especially anything going uphill, were especially slick requiring a healthy shot of momentum to get up. Once that was lost, it was winch time...

We dropped the Brat after the first turn onto Ironclads, but everyone was impressed at how well it was doing. Randy dropped his truck off after backing down from the second icy hill on Ironclads, which was probably a really good decision.

Chains certainly ruled the day and Charlie had THE TICKET with all four wheels chained. He had no problems with anything except trying to pull Randy's monster up an icy hill...hence the 3 Jeeps...Anyone who was running chains just in the rear was doing pretty well. Anyone who wasn't was running on low air pressure and speed..

A good day, a good run, fun people and good to put new faces to names and see some people that I haven't seen for awhile!

[Mporter]

Ill get em posted up in a sec.

[Rob]

Kubo took a boatload of pics and videos. He said he'd try to post at least some teasers tonight. I took only a few pics. I'll process them after I finish unloading the rig and getting my winch cable squared away. I needed a cheese and cracker break.

Fun, fun day, except for a couple downhill stretches in ice and snow. I need a bit lower gearing in the rear.

Got to meet a lot of new people today, too. Excellent. Kubo, glad to have you along today. Hope it met your expectations.

[DETN8R]

Had tons of fun today guys. Thanks for not getting upset at me for getting stuck.
Look forward to the next run.

[Mporter]

Had tons of fun today guys. Thanks for not getting upset at me for getting stuck.
Look forward to the next run.

I blame your tires

[Rob]

Had tons of fun today guys. Thanks for not getting upset at me for getting stuck.

Well I was mad at you, Fred. :lol: Until you let me hook my winch up to your shackle. Thanks for the hand. :thunb:

[Ace]

Had a great time, as usual.

Charles and I made it out. We didn't make the plane crash since it was getting late we just ran out to the MSV camp area.

Always good to meet fellow wheelers, the tripple header pulling Randy up was a 1st for me.

[DETN8R]

I blame your tires
Yeah. They seemed to do a little better after I aired down to 10psi.

[Mporter]

Ok so I had a few more pictures, but the camera died while uploading. (Pictures are not in sequential order)
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[Mporter]

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[Mporter]

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[Mporter]

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[Rob]

This is all I got.

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[DETN8R]

Sweet pics

[WINKY]

God oh man am i tired. but got home safe.

I had a BLAST! and yes i need chains and lockers. :) (next on the list)
I also need 7 new batteries to handle winching duty with that winch (on list as well)

I want to thank those that tied up and assisted brutus up the icy climb (you can see what he has to do on his own lol) 3 rigs to pull him up 75 ft of hill.

I did turn around at the one spot where it gets steeper and the obstacle cause i didnt want to burn out the alternator winching for 3 hours. (i think it needs a certain amount of current to get the motor turning or else it wont start, so more batteries will help).

I got 4 vids and i think 40 or 50 pics ill post tomorrow, as i am exhausted (32 hours up).

i dont think i can run the full iron clads in snow as i would have pinballed all the way down the far side. (ask shut up hippie how many trees we almost hit)

Thanks to all and good night!

[porkchop]

looks like you guys had a blast im very jelous wish i could have made it but ill be doing alot more wheelin next season for sure once i get my cage, some new meats, and a tie rod upgrade i should be good to go.

[Funrover]

FUN!!!

[Chris]

Looks like it was fun, sorry I missed it. :thunb:

[JeepersCreepers]

Well home safely, had a blast!!

needless to say Hostess Snack Cakes were present :thunb:



-Rob


:eek::eek: WHAT! NOBODY TOLD ME THAT LARD CAKES WERE PRESENT :eek::eek:

I sure could have used 1 or 3 of them for sure today:D

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Yeah. They seemed to do a little better after I aired down to 10psi.

10 to 11 psi seems to be my magic numbers

[Medic-5150]

Awesome run. Thanks guys, especially Charlie for the ride!. I'm glad I didn't take my truck I would have been in the same shoes as Brutus...just with a faster winch. Charlie has some pictures, I didn't get any....I left my camera sitting on my freezer

[Roostercruiser]

sounded liike knee deep in fun. if Randy had a hard time i know my burb would have sucked. sorry i missed it . cant wait to get home and see the pics.

[porkchop]

[QUOTE=JeepersCreepers;68083]:eek::eek: WHAT! NOBODY TOLD ME THAT LARD CAKES WERE PRESENT :eek::eek:

I sure could have used 1 or 3 of them for sure today:D

if brutus is there, lard cakes are there we should all know this by now:D

[SubaCool]

Kubo took a boatload of pics and videos. He said he'd try to post at least some teasers tonight. I took only a few pics.
Kubo, glad to have you along today. Hope it met your expectations.
It was great to meet everyone today, and yes, I did have fun. Rob, thanks again for letting me ride with you! I was also glad that my early mishap didn't put a damper on everything. For those of you that didn't catch that, I've slipped and fell face first on a rock. Luckily (thanks to my ninja-like reflexes) I've caught myself and avoided splitting my head open by a hair (one of mine, literally!).

http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/45782/2919086740101960247S500x500Q85.jpg


I have taken close to 90 pictures and about an hour of video (no, it's not ALL of Randy... but close :p). I have to sort through the pictures, and edit some video. I will have the pictures up tomorrow (Monday), but you won't see the videos for at least a couple of days. I will work on them and post them up as soon as I can. As promised though, some teasers:




The snow drift before MSV
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/43730/2265965650101960247S500x500Q85.jpg

The line up across from FS 217 (Bunce School access from Hwy 72)
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44355/2231659750101960247S500x500Q85.jpg

[KnuckleHead]

Looks like you guys had a blast so far.... can't wait to see more pics and the videos.... By the sounds of it I'm not sure my little Isuzu would have made it. Maybe after getting a few things I can make the next one....

[Mporter]

Looks like you guys had a blast so far.... can't wait to see more pics and the videos.... By the sounds of it I'm not sure my little Isuzu would have made it. Maybe after getting a few things I can make the next one....

Maybe with chains....that would have been the deciding factor there

[Smash]

:drive: :2thumbs:

Looks like everybody had a great time! Karla and I are buggered we missed it, but there's no way I was going anywhere at 6am yesterday morning. Here's the really frustrating part - I got up at 9am feeling just fine. :mad: So, me thinks at 6am I was still a bit intoxicated. Whoops! My apologies to Randy and Hippie for showing you guys up.

Can't wait to see more photos and video, I'm surprised there wasn't more snow though. From the reports I figured there would be so much you could hardly walk! :confused:

No damage to anything but Kubo's big forehead right? :lol:

[Andrew]

Wish I could have gone. I'm tired and sore from moving crap all day yesterday.

[Brody]

Wish I could have gone. I'm tired and sore from moving crap all day yesterday.

Well, you might have gotten sore from pulling winch cable, too, especially Randy's 1/2" stuff! For sure would've been more fun than moving though.

Moving sucks. You do everything yourself, and it is a pain and takes forever, but you don't ding your stuff up. You hire a moving company and it isn't too bad, but your stuff gets dinged up..

[transplant87]

Moving sucks. You do everything yourself, and it is a pain and takes forever, but you don't ding your stuff up. You hire a moving company and it isn't too bad, but your stuff gets dinged up..

OUCH that really hurts my feeling brody. Im a mover:(

[Brody]

OUCH that really hurts my feeling brody. Im a mover:(

I should change that....Sorry! Here we go:

Not all movers ding your stuff, but the last ones we used really got ours bad and wouldn't stand behind the repairs.

Better? I should have posted that better the first time. It is like (to me) saying "Hire a remodeler if you want to have things get really screwed up!"

[transplant87]

i was just messin with u. but ur right most movers dont care and run in to everthing. but some times u cant help it, you cant control the other guy that helping carry the stuff

[Speedwagon]

Had a great time everyone! Although, the BRAT had some new exhaust leak happen on the way home, and is now very loud.

I got kinda lazy taking pictures after the first uphill battle there. I meant to take alot more though.

Slideshow (http://speedwagon.us/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=33&pid=1420&slideshow=5000)

[Funrover]

Looks like a great time!

[edog]

Looks awesome!

[bmx_ican92]

When i get my truck im coming on EVERY trail run haha

[WINKY]

:eek::eek: WHAT! NOBODY TOLD ME THAT LARD CAKES WERE PRESENT :eek::eek:

I sure could have used 1 or 3 of them for sure today:D

umm..... you know i always have lardcakes, this is a given fact of the universe! anyone can come up to me and ask for one if i dont offer, thats why i bring em!



For the record, if i am ever on a trail run lardcakes will be had and all are free to have one. If i dont openly offer, come to me and i will distribute the fun!



oh check out post #105...
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6983&page=3

[WINKY]

So here are my pictures

most were of me seeing that my co-driver didnt want to get out in the cold.......... well duh its winter...... :lol:

[WINKY]

more

[WINKY]

more...

[WINKY]

more yay!

[WINKY]

even more yay!

[Chris]

So who had chains, who didn't and what's the determination on their effectiveness on this run?

[Smash]

Man that looks like fun. Who's cherokee with chains on all 4?

[Mporter]

Man that looks like fun. Who's cherokee with chains on all 4?

Charlie....he dug some mighty fine holes with em too

Also I love that fact that in every picture of Randy's.....i'm doing jack ****...:cool:

[Smash]

Charlie - lol nice shackles.


So, +1 what Chris asked.

[Mporter]

So who had chains, who didn't and what's the determination on their effectiveness on this run?

Charlie had chains on all 4.
Rob had chains on the back 2.

and I think that's it, someone chime in if im forgetting anyone

[Andrew]

I think that cherokee needs a larger D-Ring in the front.


Also - did you find that chains were best and did you air down with chains and have some sort of tensioner or leave the tires aired up with chains?

[WINKY]

I think that cherokee needs a larger D-Ring in the front.


those are charlies mountain finders.

[Medic-5150]

In Charlies rig, we did not air down. I believe we were running around 30PSI. the chains were the ticket. The only time we got stuck was trying to pull Brutus up the hill, but that was only because we were attached to a boat anchor. We got legitimately stuck one more time, after we split off with Andy. Charlie saw that he was playing around int eh drifts so we tried and got high centered and had to be yanked out. Chains were awesome though.

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Nice pictures Winky!

[WINKY]

i got more pics but site is giving me crap.... talkin to chris about it

[Smash]

In Charlies rig, we did not air down. I believe we were running around 30PSI. the chains were the ticket. The only time we got stuck was trying to pull Brutus up the hill, but that was only because we were attached to a boat anchor. We got legitimately stuck one more time, after we split off with Andy. Charlie saw that he was playing around int eh drifts so we tried and got high centered and had to be yanked out. Chains were awesome though.

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Nice pictures Winky!



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[WINKY]

:erm:

[Brody]

Also - did you find that chains were best and did you air down with chains and have some sort of tensioner or leave the tires aired up with chains?

Everyone with chains, even just on the back, did better than those of us without. Both Robs had chains and Charlie had chains x4. The Robs had theirs in the back. I can't answer the question about airing down with chains for the people that ran them. If I run chains, I usually don't air down at all, or, better yet, air down, put the chains on, and then air back up, which keeps the chains very tight.

The rest of us just aired down. I was aired down to 9 pounds and did fine, mostly running open/open, but locked up the front on the longest hill just so I wouldn't have to stop. And every time I stopped, if it was on any kind of incline, I usually had to back up and get a bit of a run at it. It was slick.

If I had had time to cut and weld up the 2 sets of busted chains to fit my 38s, I would have stuck them on for sure.

[ShutUpHippie]

Well to answer several questions:

I was aired down to about 19- with those chains on, I seemed to unstoppable! It was great, I could even start on hills.

[WINKY]

more123

[WINKY]

yay!!!

[WINKY]

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[WINKY]

,kfhxd

[Rob]

I had the Z design cable chains. I think they were somewhat helpful, but I think I'd prefer the real chains.

[ShutUpHippie]

I wouldn't have traded my square links for anything.

[Chris]

Okay, you guys are convincing me I need chains. I was looking forward to seeing how they helped. ShutUpHippie Rob, which ones did you end up buying, could you give me a link to the square links you mention?

[SubaCool]

Ok, the pictures are up. Here's a link to the slideshow (60+ pics): http://good-times.webshots.com/slideshow/575344425ryVqRh
Few more teasers...

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/45608/2355204830101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/40863/2499554710101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

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[ShutUpHippie]

http://www.tirechain.com/square_alloy_cross_chain.htm

[DETN8R]

Sweet pics guys.

[SubaCool]

6 more teasers:

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/20894/2345203480101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43828/2953701840101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

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http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/46100/2969108970101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

[Chris]

http://www.tirechain.com/square_alloy_cross_chain.htm

Thanks Rob! :thunb:

[SubaCool]

And an action sequence of Pete climbing the ledge:

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/41796/2669284180101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/44033/2169711970101960247S600x600Q85.jpg

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[ShutUpHippie]

You got it. They are about 17 lbs each.. not too bad- they tighten up really great, just make sure you get the tensioners too. I officially swear by cams (they come with that particular style of chains): they help tighten those things up very very well.

http://www.tirechain.com/RUBBER-ADJUSTERS.HTM

[Medic-5150]

Awesome pictures Subacool!

[ShutUpHippie]

Awesome pictures Subacool!
Agreed. I can't wait to see the videos!

[Medic-5150]

Charlie had some really nice chains. He said they had chikcen feat? on them. They were the normal squar chains, then had triangualar pieces of metal attached. I'm not sure where he got them though

[ShutUpHippie]

Those are just standard v-bar (or ice-bar) chains. You can get them most places that sell truck and suv chains.

[Medic-5150]

Oh, they seemed to work very well!

[WINKY]

Oh, they seemed to work very well!


at digging holes attached to a boat anchor....LMAO:lol:

[Medic-5150]

at digging holes attached to a boat anchor....LMAO:lol:

You would have kept the titanic anchored, no questions asked

[white collar redneck dad]

Hello all,,,

Thanks for the great snow wheelin trip!!

I had a great passenger,,Medic,,he was very helpful from getting chains on the tires, fixin them when they broke off when attempting to pull Brutus uphill as well as best help of wrapping the hot dogs in tinfoil to cook on the engine!!!!

Thanks to the other guys that also helped with my chains.

I must admit attempting to pull Brutus uphill was so fun!! My tires dug and dug to over half way down in the mud...Those "chicken feet" chains dug down fast!! With Tru-Trac front and rear with chains -- traction control was not an issue.

Coming down the Iron Clads had Gorgeous views of the front range.

After making it back down to Bunce School -- Ace, Medic and I made a journey to the entrance trail to T-33 plane crash....but we didnt make it there until almost 345ish...with time change and the trail really icing up we decided to continue on bunce school down to Camp Dick area to head back home.
My pics will be uploading soon.

What a great day of snow wheelin!!!

Til WE wheel again,
Cheers to ya!!!
Charlie

[Doobie]

were chains really needed with the large mud tires?

[A-TRAC]

I had the Z design cable chains. I think they were somewhat helpful, but I think I'd prefer the real chains.

Rob......you need to be the guinea pig and get a pair of snobootz for the front and see how they work out. :)

Steep at $340 for just two, but you can use them on the front with IFS. - http://www.snobootz.com/

The RUD-comfort Centrax look cooler, but they don't make them in our sizes - http://www.rud.com/en-us/produkte/schneeketten/pkw/centrax.html

[white collar redneck dad]

were chains really needed with the large mud tires?

Mud Tires going uphill on snow are great for SNOW / MUD ROOSTER TAILS. :thunb:

Watching Brody with 38's going down Iron Clads was :eek:...he came so close many times to introducing his awesome rig to trees!!:eek:

Brutus has awesome Swampers--huge lugs--incredible torque with diesel power,,:thunb: but,,,he could not get traction.

I aired down to about 30lbs with basic snow tracker 235x75 radials with chains. :thunb: Axle mods on both axles. Traction was not an issue.

Large mud tires are inevitably (sp?) huge tires with slick lugs.

BFG TA/KO's are good tires on trail, but dont "release" the snow / mud..so basically your turning "slick" tires.

Mud tires are really good on Mud,,but unless you "sipe" them to open the tread for ice...you are slipping like "bambie on on frozen pond".

[Doobie]

most of the off road tires should be able to handle the snow... however the compact ice is the problem..

what were the conditions of the trails? hard ice?
I know all about the BFG AT/KOs and their lack of releasing. Horrible mud tire.

who wheels their full sized Diesel truck?

[WINKY]

were chains really needed with the large mud tires?


yes. if you weighed alot

[Doobie]

yes. if you weighed alot

what do you consider a lot?

[WINKY]

most of the off road tires should be able to handle the snow... however the compact ice is the problem..

what were the conditions of the trails? hard ice?
I know all about the BFG AT/KOs and their lack of releasing. Horrible mud tire.

who wheels their full sized Diesel truck?

I wheel the full sized diesel, and what was happening was a front tire and rear tire were getting on compacted snow and slipping causing loss of traction. If i had snow chains i would have had minimal issues getting up all that stuff. anything on compacted snow or ice will have problems. but we still made it.

look in this picture and you will see one tire on each axle spinning and one tire on each axle being lazy. this is what happens with open diffs. :(

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6201&d=1257200160

[Doobie]

Ouchy. I thought that Cummins came with a rear locker?

You are the only person I know that wheels a full size diesel truck. :thunb:

[KnuckleHead]

Glad everyone had a good time and that there were no major problems.... all the pictures look great guys..

[Speedwagon]

Chains are overrated...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDNLUzjkpg

[WINKY]

Ouchy. I thought that Cummins came with a rear locker?

You are the only person I know that wheels a full size diesel truck. :thunb:


nope limited slip was an option but mine doesnt have it. the dodge power wagons come with lockers.

And yes i do wheel it and thats why im the "special" guy here....LMAO:lol:

[Doobie]

nope limited slip was an option but mine doesnt have it. the dodge power wagons come with lockers.

And yes i do wheel it and thats why im the "special" guy here....LMAO:lol:

gotcha, I got the PW confused with the rest of em.
I think that it takes a lot of guts to wheel one of those. Is it a manual or auto?

[SubaCool]

Chains are overrated...

YouTube - KEN BLOCK'S TRAX STI CAR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDNLUzjkpg)
LOL :wave:

[WINKY]

gotcha, I got the PW confused with the rest of em.
I think that it takes a lot of guts to wheel one of those. Is it a manual or auto?

6speed manual ~365hp,upwards of 800ftlb torque this is off the engine with bumper in about 22ft long, with tiregate out im 25~ft. i get through places others have hit trees in.:thunb:


it does have its limitations though, breakover angle, some switchbacks and many obstacles. its not a rock crawler but it is capable of a great deal! Its mainly an expo vehicle though and recovery vehicle, thus the big a$$ winch up front. soon to have a winch in the rear.

[Doobie]

6speed manual ~365hp,upwards of 800ftlb torque this is off the engine with bumper in about 22ft long, with tiregate out im 25~ft. i get through places others have hit trees in.:thunb:


it does have its limitations though, breakover angle, some switchbacks and many obstacles. its not a rock crawler but it is capable of a great deal! Its mainly an expo vehicle though and recovery vehicle, thus the big a$$ winch up front. soon to have a winch in the rear.


you sir, are what I like to call overly prepared!:D

you can never run out of room!!! big truck big bed.
I am jealous... my little XJ is not very comfortable for many people.:(

[WINKY]

smaller vehicles are too small for me, im a tall big guy lol i have a chevy metro that is a clown car to me but @30mpg and $40 lasting a month for fuel i aint complaining.


and yes i can live out of it if i need. preperation is the key to survival!

[Doobie]

smaller vehicles are too small for me, im a tall big guy lol i have a chevy metro that is a clown car to me but @30mpg and $40 lasting a month for fuel i aint complaining.


and yes i can live out of it if i need. preperation is the key to survival!

I know how ya feel with the clown car thing. i am 6'2 and far from skinny.
Have you left the truck mostly stock?

[WINKY]

I know how ya feel with the clown car thing. i am 6'2 and far from skinny.
Have you left the truck mostly stock?


nope lol

mods
new injection pump
new lift pump, raptor 150
34" tires current
home built winchmount/bumper
warn 16.5 ti winch
7 lights
tweeked cb
onboard pc w/ navigation system and 15inch lcd monitor
tiregate

soon to happen
rear winch with homemade bumper winchplate
lockers front and rear
37's
rebuilt turbo
new injectors prolly do 100hp injectors from stock
new clutch (if needed)
inbed storage system with expedition equipment
dual alternators
solar panel
airchimes (train horns)
OBA
front axle CAD mod

[Medic-5150]

HIGHJACKERS!!!! lol

[Ace]

HIGHJACKERS!!!! lol


BUSHWACKERS!

[Medic-5150]

All the info you'd ever want on Brutus: http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3970

[WINKY]

it was a long night....lol

[Rob]

Rob......you need to be the guinea pig and get a pair of snobootz for the front and see how they work out. :)

Steep at $340 for just two, but you can use them on the front with IFS. - http://www.snobootz.com/

You buy 'em, I'll try 'em. The money tree got cut down in February. :( I'm waiting for a new one to be planted.

[WINKY]

YAAAAY A VIDEOOOO!!!!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBDDknDSR0

[DETN8R]

Nice vid winky

[BlackRubi]

Hey Pete,
What tires are you running and how well did they do in the snow?

[Brody]

Hey Pete,
What tires are you running and how well did they do in the snow?


38x15.50x15 Nitto Mud Grapplers. They actually do everything quite well for a big, fat, open lugged tires. They are noisy on the road, but I expected that and don't care. They are wearing very well. They actually handle pretty well on icy/snowy pavement. They do surprisingly well in the snow. You just have to air them down a bit. The sidewalls are very thick and stiff and take awhile to break in. You almost can't see the flex unless they are aired down to under 12 psi.

The other tires I really liked, actually made by the same company, were the Toyo MTs. I had these in the 37x14.50x15 and would probably still be running them, but Toyo goes to a 16" rim in the 38s. One of the absolute best all round tires I have ever run.

[1freaky1]

Great video there Winky, so did you turn around and go back down that rock Pete?

[Medic-5150]

38x15.50x15 Nitto Mud Grapplers. They actually do everything quite well for a big, fat, open lugged tires. They are noisy on the road, but I expected that and don't care. They are wearing very well. They actually handle pretty well on icy/snowy pavement. They do surprisingly well in the snow. You just have to air them down a bit. The sidewalls are very thick and stiff and take awhile to break in. You almost can't see the flex unless they are aired down to under 12 psi.

The other tires I really liked, actually made by the same company, were the Toyo MTs. I had these in the 37x14.50x15 and would probably still be running them, but Toyo goes to a 16" rim in the 38s. One of the absolute best all round tires I have ever run.

I've heard the Toyo MTs tear lugs pretty easily. Did you have any problem with them?

[Brody]

No and I ran a lot of trails aired down and with lots of rocks with them as I actually had money back then for gas. Ran a lot of highway miles , too. Some minor chunking, but way less than the MTRs I had before them. I wouldn't say it was any kind of problem, at least for me.

[Medic-5150]

No and I ran a lot of trails aired down and with lots of rocks with them as I actually had money back then for gas. Ran a lot of highway miles , too. Some minor chunking, but way less than the MTRs I had before them. I wouldn't say it was any kind of problem, at least for me.

Alright. I've run Toyo street tires on cars and they were awesome, expensive though.

[Brody]

Yes they are. I got the Toyos from a friend's brother who had around 5k miles on them and an unused spare for a good price. The Nittos I got a deal on because one of the people we rent to sold them and we gave him a deal on the lease for a deal on the Nittos. I was going to get 39.5 Swamper Radials, but the guy gave me a better deal on the more expensive Nittos...

Who knows what I am going to end up with the next time I need tires. Money seems to dictate the choices, more than anything else.

[Medic-5150]

Yes they are. I got the Toyos from a friend's brother who had around 5k miles on them and an unused spare for a good price. The Nittos I got a deal on because one of the people we rent to sold them and we gave him a deal on the lease for a deal on the Nittos. I was going to get 39.5 Swamper Radials, but the guy gave me a better deal on the more expensive Nittos...

Who knows what I am going to end up with the next time I need tires. Money seems to dictate the choices, more than anything else.

Yea, it's amazing how expensive rubber is

[ShutUpHippie]

You can't really make generic statements. Certain conditions create better performance for certain setups.

I am also dual locked, my MT's are exceptional winter tires, and I am geared pretty low. Chains would make things better except if I articulated they would hit the body.

So much depends on your rig and how you have set it up. Once the snow is deep enough that you are dragging both pumpkins through the snow, a dual locked SFA rig that is heavy enough to want to dig may perform at about the level of a front IFS rig that is only rear locked. Why? Because the IFS has much better clearance and there is no benefit to articulation in these conditions.

I've run up what amounts to a 50 yard ice waterfall on a steep section of trail without a tire spin watching other rigs that are poorly geared get halfway up and literally spin and slide all the way back to the bottom.

In this condition, the weight of my rig is a big plus. As the snow gets deeper, it becomes a greater and greater liability, which is why for me the biggest possible tire size with good gearing and lockers is my preferred setup.

Really looks like you had perfect run condition, I'll stop web wheeling now :lol:

Spectacular! I couldn't have been more thorough. You're exactly right :thunb:

[SubaCool]

Sorry it's taking so long, but I haven't really had a chance to sit down and go through all of the 56 video clips (2.5GB - just shy of an hour of footage). So far, I was able to edit 35 clips (1.5GB), which totals to about 33 minutes of unedited video. I've cut that down to three clips of about 3 minutes each -took me about 7 hrs total. I'm using Windows Movie Maker which is a royal pain in the you know what, wife's laptop that needs special attention otherwise it shuts down randomly, and I'm doing all this for free :cool: AWESOME!! Hey, if anybody would like all this footage, just send me a DVD and I can see what I can do (or when).
Btw, the nice thing about digital is that you can take as much video (or pics) as your memory card will hold. The bad part is, you have to edit all the crap you took just because you thought it would look great :rolleyes:
Here are the first three clips:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOa6-jksRcs



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EUfa1UIcgI



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsDWLZP20N0

More to come at a later date :thunb:


Btw, where can I get some free (legal) music that I could use as a soundtrack for these?

[KnuckleHead]

Very nice videos.... really wish I could have been there... cant wait to see the rest.

As for music I think you can use anything from your own collection. I use Blubster to get some of my music.. it's a sharing site and I have never had a problem with it... no cost to use....

[Brody]

The bad part is, you have to edit all the crap you took just because you thought it would look great :rolleyes:

Btw, where can I get some free (legal) music that I could use as a soundtrack for these?


Thanks for the very nice videos, too! Anyone that has ever done any editing knows how much time goes into these! I like how a lot of other FR4x4 videos are linked to these, too. Check out some of Hughs videos as he spends a lot of time on his.

Try this as a starter for some free (and royalty free) music:

http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

For more, just Google "royalty free music" .

There are a lot of gray areas when it comes to music on videos. If you don't sell it for personal gain, and credit the artist on the video, you are right in the middle of one of the gray areas. Many people do this, including myself...The key words being 'not selling for personal gain' and 'non commercial use'...

I have also used a lot of the 'stock' YouTube music for my videos, too. This is all 'royalty free' music and is easy to use through the You Tube program. You just have to kind of pick and chose what genre and style. Not always what you want, but it comes pretty close a lot of the time. If I am in a hurry, this is what I do a lot. Many of the 'Stargate Vacations' videos I had done have the stock You Tube music on them.

Video editing software:

Try Pinnacle:

http://pinnaclesys.com/preorder14/us/index.htm

but it costs$$. Here is a site for some free video editing software downloads. If JUMPCUT isn't on this site, you might want to check it out, too.

http://freeartsoftware.com/video-editing-software.htm

Editing video sucks....

As far as another source of royalty free music, I have some of my own music you are welcome to use, too. It is world/techno with rock back beat stuff (granted, not for everyone...)...Since this is my own original music, it is royalty free at the moment. Just holler and I'll get you some. It works well for soundtrack stuff. Just credit it to 'These Guys Musick" if you do use it.

Here is a link to two of my videos with some of my own music on it.

This is a rock climbing vid of a hard climb we did in Pentitente Canyon, not a wheeling video, but interesting to watch:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_3_ymYstM

This is of OCG wheeling, also with some These Guys Musick :

http://www.youtube.com/user/peterbrody4#p/u/12/U6svijMxyuM

[Roostercruiser]

Sorry it's taking so long, but I haven't really had a chance to sit down and go through all of the 56 video clips (2.5GB - just shy of an hour of footage). So far, I was able to edit 35 clips (1.5GB), which totals to about 33 minutes of unedited video. I've cut that down to three clips of about 3 minutes each -took me about 7 hrs total. I'm using Windows Movie Maker which is a royal pain in the you know what, wife's laptop that needs special attention otherwise it shuts down randomly, and I'm doing all this for free :cool: AWESOME!! Hey, if anybody would like all this footage, just send me a DVD and I can see what I can do (or when).
Btw, the nice thing about digital is that you can take as much video (or pics) as your memory card will hold. The bad part is, you have to edit all the crap you took just because you thought it would look great :rolleyes:
Here are the first three clips:

YouTube- FR4x4 Snow Run, p1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOa6-jksRcs)


YouTube- FR4x4 Snow Run, p2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EUfa1UIcgI)


YouTube- FR4x4 Snow Run, p3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsDWLZP20N0)

More to come at a later date :thunb:



Btw, where can I get some free (legal) music that I could use as a soundtrack for these?



looks like brutus was on a leash:D at the end of the vidoe

[DETN8R]

Great vids. I'm glad you got some footage of me to show off.

[WINKY]

looks like brutus was on a leash:D at the end of the vidoe


AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that was good!



chains and a locker will be forthcoming. I got 2 new batteries today and they both are the correct size and group, i can already tell a difference just in starting!:thunb:


Excellent video's by the way!

[SubaCool]

There are a lot of gray areas when it comes to music on videos. If you don't sell it for personal gain, and credit the artist on the video, you are right in the middle of one of the gray areas. Many people do this, including myself...The key words being 'not selling for personal gain' and 'non commercial use'...

As far as another source of royalty free music, I have some of my own music you are welcome to use, too. It is world/techno with rock back beat stuff (granted, not for everyone...)...Since this is my own original music, it is royalty free at the moment. Just holler and I'll get you some. It works well for soundtrack stuff. Just credit it to 'These Guys Musick" if you do use it.
Thanks for all your suggestions! I know youtube sometimes shuts down videos that have copyrighted music in them, so that's mainly why I'm asking for free music. Lots of times, there are many artists that put up their own music on the web in hopes to get discovered, and that's the kind of what I'm looking for. Pete, I do like your music. I don't know your background, but it sounds really good. I like the kind of music that combines different genres, it's different. I would like a copy of some of your music if you don't mind, just to listen too. Should I end up using some of it, I'd definatelly credit the maker(s) :thunb:

I'm also looking for a better editing video, but I have to sort out my PC first. It's capable, it just needs some tlc. I've heard of Pinacle and will probably go with it, I just have to do some more research on what exactly I'm looking for (I've seen other programs too). Not in a hurry though.

I think the reason why the other videos are linked to mine is that I've used keywords Frontrange4x4 and FR4x4. I'll check them out later.

Great vids. I'm glad you got some footage of me to show off.
I've got a little bit more (of you too), just have to find some more quiet time to put them together. I also got Pete, Rob (DrUnit), and you on the rocks at the end. All coming up, just keep checking back here ;)

Excellent video's by the way!
Thanks!

[Brody]

I'll try to get a copy of my "These Guys Musick" made for you soon. I have music by Front 242, Frontline Assembly, Fluke, Air Cargo, Oakenfold, and I think some Crystal Method on some of my posted videos. I have never had a problem with YouTube, but that could be because I credit the artists...

Glad you like it, BTW. I have more stuff 'in progress' than I have ever finished...

[white collar redneck dad]

Man that looks like fun. Who's cherokee with chains on all 4?

Yours Truly -- :D:thunb:

[white collar redneck dad]

Ok-- since ya'll have seen many of the same pics that I have...I thought that I would put up a few new ones ---

Me after getting stuck -- Thanks Andy for pulling me out!!

Me Digging deep almost to my frame -- All Four tires chained (attempting) to pull WINKY up hill in the snow....

Scenery Pic

The new REDNECK TIE -- worn by "ACE" -- Its our famous Tow Strap Tie..Way to go Andy..lol

[Mporter]

Dang Charlie...that's a cool overlook pic...where did you see that view?

[white collar redneck dad]

Dang Charlie...that's a cool overlook pic...where did you see that view?

Thanks!!! I took that pic on the way back down Iron Clads. :thunb:

[Funrover]

Sweet vids!

[billsbar]

Ok-- since ya'll have seen many of the same pics that I have...I thought that I would put up a few new ones ---

Me after getting stuck -- Thanks Andy for pulling me out!!

Me Digging deep almost to my frame -- All Four tires chained (attempting) to pull WINKY up hill in the snow....

Scenery Pic

The new REDNECK TIE -- worn by "ACE" -- Its our famous Tow Strap Tie..Way to go Andy..lol

man thats a odd picture of your left rear tire, whats up with that

[Smash]

Absolutely fantastic videos Kubo!! Sorry just got to watch them.

[ShutUpHippie]

Awesome vids Kubo! Thanks for your work editing that video!!

[Rob]

man thats a odd picture of your left rear tire, whats up with that

I thought it looked odd, too, like it was almost horizontal. I looked at it again until it looked right. I think it's an optical illusion.

[white collar redneck dad]

man thats a odd picture of your left rear tire, whats up with that

Burried the tire about a foot plus with chains..Was trying to pull a 5,000 plus pound 3/4 ton pickup up hill in the snow!!:thunb:

[Roo]

I thought it looked odd, too, like it was almost horizontal. I looked at it again until it looked right. I think it's an optical illusion.


I was thinking the same thing but now I see it correctly. The light through the trees makes it look like the wheel is bent and part of the chain is the lip of the rim.