Pole Hill snow run II 1-10-10 [Archive]

Rob

January 10th, 2010, 06:20 PM

Another excellent snow run at Pole Hill today. Much warmer and conditions were a little better on the trails we hit last week, but we ran a section we didn't run last week and had some digging, strapping, winching, pushing and blasting going on. Big difference for me in the 40 vs. the FJC last week, with about 3 inches less clearance. Thanks to Mark (Flexytoy) for dragging me back up the loop hill and thanks to Pete for winching me over the last hill on the way out (after creating huge ruts with his monster tires, which overwhelmed the 40). I think I'll try it next week in my wife's RAV4 and make it a hat trick. :rolleyes:

Good to meet some new folks and run again with others, including those who did today's PH run and last week's PH run.

The only carnage I recall was when Pete's passenger-side hub blew off.

Now for some pics.

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Smash

January 10th, 2010, 06:29 PM

Home safe and unpacked, man that was fantastic! A huge thank you to everyone for making our first real trail run with the group a total success. Special thanks to Pete for the winch out. Rhino performed better than I could have hoped for, especially with the tires aired down. On this sort of trail the long wheel base actually helped in the sloppy stuff. Anyways, karla and I agree the day couldn't have been more fantastic!

As always, pictures and video to come tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the ones I'm sure Kubo got of me getting past the hard part of the hill and then getting pulled right into a big snowbank!! LOL!!

Rob

January 10th, 2010, 06:32 PM

And some more pics.

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Rob

January 10th, 2010, 06:35 PM

And a few more.

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Rob

January 10th, 2010, 06:37 PM

The last of the pics.

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Brody

January 10th, 2010, 06:42 PM

What a great run! Once again it was great to see everyone, meet some fine new folks and put faces to names. Thanks for all the pulls, anchors, tugs and winching that everyone did for my heap, too...and you are more than welcome for the thank yous! It was also nice to finally be able to do the trail instead of holding everyone up like I did with my stuck last year...Great having Kubo as a passenger, too!

Pretty trail and a pretty area. Looks to be some really nice snowshoe/x skiing, mountain biking (summer) stuff back in there, too. Fun for me as almost all of the stuff I have ever done around Estes has revolved around rock or ice climbing, which meant that this area was all new ground.

Home safe and sound. Rob followed me back to my place in his Nissan to grab some Ford springs for his lift. These were the springs that Mike was giving away last year, so they got recycled to a good home!

The Nissan did great with some air out of the tires. Charley's Jeep looks great in person with the new lift and tires and seemed to pretty much hike everything.

Mporter

January 10th, 2010, 06:54 PM

Looks like it was fun....if only i didn't have to finish a school project and get my cb stuff settled, I might have been on this one.

Medic-5150

January 10th, 2010, 07:00 PM

I'm home safe as well. I was rather impressed with everyone's driving abilities. Good job everyone and thanks for your assistance during my winching moment. I had a blast, I can't wait to get out again. I have no pictures, but Chris has some video and lots of pictures!

Fordguy77

January 10th, 2010, 07:03 PM

Home safe and unpacked, man that was fantastic! A huge thank you to everyone for making our first real trail run with the group a total success. Special thanks to Pete for the winch out. Rhino performed better than I could have hoped for, especially with the tires aired down. On this sort of trail the long wheel base actually helped in the sloppy stuff. Anyways, karla and I agree the day couldn't have been more fantastic!

As always, pictures and video to come tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the ones I'm sure Kubo got of me getting past the hard part of the hill and then getting pulled right into a big snowbank!! LOL!!

I'd have to agree the burb did awesome

Fordguy77

January 10th, 2010, 07:09 PM

I'm home safe as well. I was rather impressed with everyone's driving abilities. Good job everyone and thanks for your assistance during my winching moment. I had a blast, I can't wait to get out again. I have no pictures, but Chris has some video and lots of pictures!

I'll try to get the pics and vids up tomorrow when i have more time. i'm still learning all this digital camera stuff

Rusty

January 10th, 2010, 08:16 PM

Unbelievable day.....Thanks to Mark for the tow, probably wasn't even in 4wd. Pete, thanks a ton for the springs and some knowledge. It was awesome meeting everyone, all good people. The weather and views were great, couldn't have asked for a better Sunday. Sooner or later I'll learn how to put text to pics

Rusty

January 10th, 2010, 08:27 PM

some more

Rusty

January 10th, 2010, 08:36 PM

last ones

Medic-5150

January 10th, 2010, 08:39 PM

Awesome picture of my truck!!!!!! I love the view behind it!

dr350jja

January 10th, 2010, 08:45 PM

Well it was great to put names with faces. We will have to do it again. The day couldnt have been better, nice folks, nice weather, and lots of fun. Glad everyone got home safe....

Enjoyed wheeln' with ya Mark. Thanks for the tug up the hill.

Mporter

January 10th, 2010, 08:45 PM

Rob your rig is SUA right?

Rob

January 10th, 2010, 09:21 PM

Rob your rig is SUA right?

Which Rob? If me, then yeah, it's SUA. Can't answer for Rob T.

Rob

January 10th, 2010, 10:21 PM

Nice pics, Rob T.

Here are a couple videos I managed to get. Didn't have the camera out as much this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJCDfNRcPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBWb4F__zM

brian pleasant

January 10th, 2010, 10:23 PM

sound like fun day! missed it again.

SubaCool

January 10th, 2010, 11:43 PM

Great day today, I'm glad I came along. Pete, thanks again for letting me ride with you, I had a good time! Your truck is totally something else, I like it :fing: I've snapped away pictures and video today, but the video won't be up for a few days. I promise I'll hurry up with it, but I have a lot of editing to do to trim away the boring stuff ;) I've just watched a part where Andrew and Todd blasted through the deep snow at full speed and man, they were both moving!! :eek:
I did manage to get the pictures up to my webshots album though. Check here for the slidehow: http://good-times.webshots.com/slideshow/576284201HrBJEo I'll post some good ones on here tomorrow, way too tired now.

KnuckleHead

January 11th, 2010, 12:09 AM

Looks like another great day of wheeling missed due to work.... All the pics look great and glad that all made it home...

RidgeRunner

January 11th, 2010, 05:58 AM

Thanks to all you guys for a great run, I had a blast! Home safe with no problems. I'll see what pics I got and get them up tonight.

Funrover

January 11th, 2010, 06:24 AM

Great pics, looks like I missed another great trail run!

Andrew

January 11th, 2010, 07:22 AM

Looks like fun! If I hadn't been going to Illinois Gulch the day before I could have come. Looks like the trail is still very doable with a couple thicker parts. It's a good trail for a snow run too - no ledges and cliffs and drop offs and such.

Smash

January 11th, 2010, 07:33 AM

Hey Subacool, nice shots! Mind emailing me anything with the 'burb in it, and the shot with the dogs? I can't get the pics from webshots. Even as a member, it requires their own program (they don't download as a .jpeg). Thanks!

Brody

January 11th, 2010, 07:57 AM

Looks like fun! If I hadn't been going to Illinois Gulch the day before I could have come. Looks like the trail is still very doable with a couple thicker parts. It's a good trail for a snow run too - no ledges and cliffs and drop offs and such.

In SubCool's pictures where we are all lined up in the meadow and there are a couple of rigs stuck on a mild looking hill in front of the FR group was the worst section. It didn't look like anything at all, but there was a wind blown drift right at the trees with just a bit of off camber and a couple of very badly placed holes. If you missed your line just a bit, or didn't take it with enough momentum, you drifted right off the trail into the deeper section and got very thoroughly stuck. You can see Josh's Yota buried as well as the Rhino Burbie of Ash and Karla. When Andrew got his Dodge stuck in it, the snow was about half way up his headlights... Almost everyone had to get a tug or winch out from here, or were able to winch themselves out. Typical winter stuff-the sections you would hardly notice even driving a stock rig provided the most entertainment.

Once again: Thanks for all the help winching, pulling, anchoring, etc. It was a gas!

Hope that you had fun on Illinois Gulch!

JeffX

January 11th, 2010, 08:02 AM

Looks really fun. I need to get up there sometime.

Andrew

January 11th, 2010, 08:28 AM

Looks really fun. I need to get up there sometime.

Let me know - it's not that far of a drive for me and I'd tag along. Winch isn't installed yet though. I really need to work on that.

CR

January 11th, 2010, 08:43 AM

I also had a wonderful day thanks to great company with great wheelin! I was the smart one who didn't bring my camera, but still hard to forget a day like this. Everyone drove with much skill and I was very impressed. Even with the one spot with very deep snow, I think it still only took around an hour to get our entire group through (minus those who turned back up the hill).
All in all, Thank you to everyone. Can't wait for the next one.:smokin:

BlackRubi

January 11th, 2010, 10:40 AM

Wish I could have made it. Looks like a lot of fun. We need more Saturday runs! Sunday morning runs I always have to miss!

Andrew

January 11th, 2010, 10:50 AM

I agree I prefer Saturdays myself.

sunk

January 11th, 2010, 12:50 PM

Pete, your hub broke? Seems like its a weak link...I seem to remember you breaking it on a run a couple of months ago.

Rob

January 11th, 2010, 01:05 PM

Hey Subacool, nice shots! Mind emailing me anything with the 'burb in it, and the shot with the dogs? I can't get the pics from webshots. Even as a member, it requires their own program (they don't download as a .jpeg). Thanks!

Yeah, bummer we can't download photos from that site.

Smash

January 11th, 2010, 01:57 PM

+1 about your hub Pete, I must have missed that happening somehow.

Smash

January 11th, 2010, 02:46 PM

Ok guys you're going to have to be patient.

I have family in town on their way over shortly, so photos and video to come tomorrow.

Teaser:

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3770.jpg

Andrew

January 11th, 2010, 03:00 PM

Oh wow you guys had a lot of rigs on that one too.

Brody

January 11th, 2010, 03:02 PM

Pete, your hub broke? Seems like its a weak link...I seem to remember you breaking it on a run a couple of months ago.

Yeah it did. Mark said it was due to the bolts loosening a little and binding up. It has happened before and, instead of the stock internal gear that I run breaking, which is the reason I run the stock gear and carry three spares, the whole hub blasts of, shearing 6 grade studs and two harder pins. He said that he has had experience with this as well as as friend of his and has started re torqueing the bolts at least every other run. I am going to follow his lead on this as it is a real PITA to get the broken studs out...

It broke right at the top of the hill where I was backing up and then driving down to winch people.

Smash

January 11th, 2010, 03:02 PM

Yes. The first three rigs in that line were in a group in front of us, but the rest of them are all FR 4x4. :)

SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:02 PM

Here are a few pics from the slideshow. If you want pics of your rig, give me your email address and I can send them to you. Just tell me if you want the low res (<100kb) or the high res (>3MB) proofs.
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Smash

January 11th, 2010, 03:03 PM

Yeah it did. Mark said it was due to the bolts loosening a little and binding up. It has happened before and, instead of the stock internal gear that I run breaking, which is the reason I run the stock gear and carry three spares, the whole hub blasts of, shearing 6 grade studs and two harder pins. He said that he has had experience with this as well as as friend of his and has started re torqueing the bolts at least every other run. I am going to follow his lead on this as it is a real PITA to get the broken studs out...

It broke right at the top of the hill where I was backing up and then driving down to winch people.

Oh dang!

SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:12 PM

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Andrew

January 11th, 2010, 03:14 PM

Yeah it did. Mark said it was due to the bolts loosening a little and binding up. It has happened before and, instead of the stock internal gear that I run breaking, which is the reason I run the stock gear and carry three spares, the whole hub blasts of, shearing 6 grade studs and two harder pins. He said that he has had experience with this as well as as friend of his and has started re torqueing the bolts at least every other run. I am going to follow his lead on this as it is a real PITA to get the broken studs out...

It broke right at the top of the hill where I was backing up and then driving down to winch people.

What hub? WARN? I have heard that the regular studs they use in them suck and people bust them all the time. What grade? I'll be putting allen-head bolts, 10.9 in mine when I install them.

SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:18 PM

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SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:24 PM

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SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:29 PM

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Brody

January 11th, 2010, 03:30 PM

Oh dang!

Yeah...oh dang. At least I now know what has been causing the problem and to add it to my tightening list that I normally do every two weeks or so. I have a couple of other rotors plus hubs around for back ups so it isn't too big of a deal. Nothing like a winter run with a bunch of recovery going on to bring out weak points. I noticed a couple of other ones, too: The rear winch has a 'sweet spot' that it engages in and obviously a couple of broken teeth on the gear inside. It will only fully engage in that one spot. I have known about this for awhile, but due to lack of funds for replacement parts, have held off on rebuilding and repacking both winches. Another thing was that, when I buried the rear winch in the bed, I placed the remote box too close to the spare, so I had to loosen the spare tire to move it 3/8" over to get the plug in. I had noticed that before, but hadn't fixed it...oh well...stuff to do....

Maybe posting this will have other people checking stuff on their rigs a little more frequently, too...obvious and not so obvious...

SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 03:33 PM

...and some more
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The End.

Roo

January 11th, 2010, 04:05 PM

I had every intention on going but had trouble falling asleep the night before and when my alarm went off I couldn't drag myself out of bed. Looks like a good time I want to go on the next one!

Haku

January 11th, 2010, 04:06 PM

Yeah...oh dang. At least I now know what has been causing the problem and to add it to my tightening list that I normally do every two weeks or so. I have a couple of other rotors plus hubs around for back ups so it isn't too big of a deal. Nothing like a winter run with a bunch of recovery going on to bring out weak points. I noticed a couple of other ones, too: The rear winch has a 'sweet spot' that it engages in and obviously a couple of broken teeth on the gear inside. It will only fully engage in that one spot. I have known about this for awhile, but due to lack of funds for replacement parts, have held off on rebuilding and repacking both winches. Another thing was that, when I buried the rear winch in the bed, I placed the remote box too close to the spare, so I had to loosen the spare tire to move it 3/8" over to get the plug in. I had noticed that before, but hadn't fixed it...oh well...stuff to do....

Maybe posting this will have other people checking stuff on their rigs a little more frequently, too...obvious and not so obvious...

I might need to go find one of those hub assemblies myself, or if you'd be willing to let one go. I got home, and my passenger side hub was too hot to touch. Something weird going on with that. I'm planning on rebuilding the knuckles in the very near future, and do a general axle RnR on it anways, so I'll find out then. It was making some weird noises yesterday (creaking groaning noises). Did notice that it was close, but not completely unlocked when I went to lock them yesterday, so that might have something to do with it. Worst case scenario I'll just go junkyarding, or go talk to Yota Jim.

Had another great day yesterday, and got just stuck enough to have fun and have an adventure, but not enough to feel bad about it. The rest of the trail was fun but easy, and I had a ton of fun being up front and bombing through the woods. Would have been fun to have a few more obstacles to try out, but it was a good time and a great day to be outdoors.

Cheers,

JH

Brody

January 11th, 2010, 05:01 PM

Josh..Junkyard 'em either at Colorado Auto Parts or a Pull and Pay..LC rotors are what you want with the straight axle hubs. The straight axle hubs from any of the LCs or older Yotas work. You find the set up at a jukyard, you can get the set for about $40. Yota Yard or Yoda Jims will charge you closer to $100. Both Colorado Auto and U Pull It on 64th and Pecos had 60s, but minus the Aisen hub, which are hard to find.

I am hanging on to mine...Your hub heating up is usually the sign of a wheel bearing that is either going or is badly in need of a repack.

Haku

January 11th, 2010, 05:06 PM

Cool........thanks Brody. I'm planning on doing the axle rebuild very soon, and was planning on doing the wheel bearings along with the knuckle. I'll probably go hit up Colorado Auto Parts in the next couple days and see if I can find a hub and rotor assembly. You have to have the big ole axle nut socket thing to get those off right? Any other tips for getting them off at the Junkyard?

JH

No, not really. The 54mm socket (I got the Trail Gear one with the 3/8 drive), a 17mm for the caliper bolts, a 10 and 12 for the Aisen hub. Also a hammer and a couple of screwdrivers are nice to have. Chances are you are going to find stuff in the air with the hubs gone and the 54mm nuts exposed with just the caliper on. People strip the Aisen hubs as they are being pulled into the lot, I think...Make sure to pick up any of the cone washers and studs you see lying around too, as Toyota gets way too much money for these...

Fordguy77

January 11th, 2010, 05:33 PM

Waiting on the first hill climb
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First Hill
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One of the many views
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Approaching the Trouble spot. The 2 stuck Jeeps And Dodge We Caught Up With
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Stuck Jeeps
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Fordguy77

January 11th, 2010, 05:36 PM

More Pics
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Fordguy77

January 11th, 2010, 05:38 PM

Still more pics
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Fordguy77

January 11th, 2010, 05:40 PM

A Few More
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Fordguy77

January 11th, 2010, 05:42 PM

I am still trying to figure out how to get vids up. Maybe by tomorrow.

Rusty

January 11th, 2010, 06:26 PM

Would anyone has any pics or video of me pummeling up the last hill. Both at the same time i'm proud that I got up that hill (it's like getting defeated by something/someone and facing that again and being succesful, but also I probably shouldn't have been at 4 1/2 grand in 2nd gear in 4wd......the whole way up the hill.

scout man

January 11th, 2010, 07:06 PM

Josh - when my hubs get too hot to touch it is often because I have been on my brakes really hard for a long time. Check and make sure your caliper isnt locked up or anything.

AccordRanger

January 11th, 2010, 07:33 PM

Looks like fun, hope i can get my front hitch soon so i can join next time.

SubaCool

January 11th, 2010, 09:08 PM

Would anyone has any pics or video of me pummeling up the last hill. Both at the same time i'm proud that I got up that hill (it's like getting defeated by something/someone and facing that again and being succesful, but also I probably shouldn't have been at 4 1/2 grand in 2nd gear in 4wd......the whole way up the hill.
Rob, I got a video of you blasting up that hill. "Rob's Hill!" :lmao: I'll get that up as soon as I can. PM me your email and I can send you a link where you can download it from (once I get to it).

Funrover

January 11th, 2010, 10:08 PM

Winch-tastic!

Medic-5150

January 11th, 2010, 10:09 PM

Winch-tastic!

Yes, it was a great day to have a winch. Would have been a great day to have a 200amp alternator and a deep cycle batter too. I had a similar problem to Winky on the Ironclads run, just not quite as serious

Haku

January 12th, 2010, 02:35 AM

That Smittybuilt wince is notoriously slow, but will get the job done. Gotta trade something off for the price those go for. Certainly wouldn't hurt to have the upgraded alternator and battery, though good luck finding a 200amp one hahaa. Probably can, just can't imagine they are cheap. Most people seem to be going for the Odyssey Batteries these days over the Optima ones. Not sure why, but that's what I've noticed.

JH

JeffX

January 12th, 2010, 05:45 AM

What hub? WARN? I have heard that the regular studs they use in them suck and people bust them all the time. What grade? I'll be putting allen-head bolts, 10.9 in mine when I install them.

Actually, there's not really a strength problem with those bolts. They bolt into wimpy cast aluminum, anyway. One of the biggest issues is when people overtighten them and strip out the aluminum. Then they just 'walk' out and the hub explodes. Those bolts don't support anything while you're driving, so the most important thing is that they're torqued to spec, and no tighter.

I recently blew up 2 warn premiums on one side due to a leaky spindle seal (seal and bearings now replaced). I'm now using Warn regulars which seem to be just as good. The only downside is the engagement mechanism.

Brody

January 12th, 2010, 05:59 AM

The stock Aisen hubs are some of the strongest hubs on the market, even stronger than the Warn hubs. The weak point is usually the inner gear, not the mating surface or the bolts on the Toyotas. Toyota uses a very hard bolt and pins (6 bolts, two pins), in fact so strong that a hardened steel drill bit barely touches them, so I think that these are grade 10 or better. The pins are even harder. It is not a good idea to replace the Aisen hubs with an after market hub such as a Warn. This applies to Yotas for the most part as Warn hubs are usually an upgrade from stock hubs on anything else.

The hub on the Yotas is also steel rather than aluminum, too, so that you don't have the weakness of the aluminum to deal with. As Mark pointed out, my bolts probably loosen over time which causes the hub to bind up and shear the bolts off. Like I said, I have been using the stock inner gear rather than a hardened inner gear so as to have a weak point in the front end that will break before an expensive or harder to fix part. For the most part, this has worked fine and I usually have 2-3 inner gears in my tool box/trail fix junk.

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 08:00 AM

Winch-tastic!

Yeah no kidding. Really makes me want a winch NOW! Unfortunately, the size of winch I need is pretty darn expensive and the fun spending account is at $0.

Andrew

January 12th, 2010, 08:03 AM

Actually, there's not really a strength problem with those bolts. They bolt into wimpy cast aluminum, anyway. One of the biggest issues is when people overtighten them and strip out the aluminum. Then they just 'walk' out and the hub explodes. Those bolts don't support anything while you're driving, so the most important thing is that they're torqued to spec, and no tighter.

I recently blew up 2 warn premiums on one side due to a leaky spindle seal (seal and bearings now replaced). I'm now using Warn regulars which seem to be just as good. The only downside is the engagement mechanism.

Ahh! Well yeah I decided to go with the allen head bolts simply because you can't really torque those too tight very easily, and getting my torque wrench in there on the hub would be a bit of a pain probably.

SubaCool

January 12th, 2010, 08:07 AM

Most people seem to be going for the Odyssey Batteries these days over the Optima ones. Not sure why, but that's what I've noticed.
Maybe because Optimas are made in China now, instead of our own backyard. At least that was the case two years ago. After that, our Optima battery sales went down drastically (I was working at Autozone). I got an US made Optima three or four years ago for $20 when they were selling used batteries for $20. Some new employee took back a 7 month old Optima that he thought was bad, turned out it was fine after I've charged it. Mine! Still running strong :cool:

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 09:26 AM

Hey SMASH I am glad to see you bury that burb!!

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 09:31 AM

Hahahaha yeah. Buried it last time in mud.... I swear I wasn't aiming for that snowbank! :lol:

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 09:38 AM

LOL, I have noticed you like to see how deep you can dig now LOL. Snow is funny like that, it tells you were to go... not the other way around

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 09:40 AM

For sure. Had to carry a good bit of speed. I'm learning fast that when you've got that much weight moving quickly the trail determines your path more than your steering wheel. Had much more control with the Forester.

Medic-5150

January 12th, 2010, 09:40 AM

It's amazing how just a couple inches of powder will completely redirect a full size rig...

Medic-5150

January 12th, 2010, 09:41 AM

For sure. Had to carry a good bit of speed. I'm learning fast that when you've got that much weight moving quickly the trail determines your path more than your steering wheel. Had much more control with the Forester.

At least you were able to keep your rear end inline

wyota

January 12th, 2010, 09:55 AM

Hello every one thanks for letting me tag along, I had a grate time and it really was a beautiful day. looking forward to doing it again. here are a few pic's. Sorry for the poor quality had my camera file size set way too low....amateur lol.

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 09:58 AM

Some nice shots!

brian pleasant

January 12th, 2010, 10:09 AM

wow many good snapshots, would love to go there some day after the jeep lifted and bigger tires. i am starting looking for body parts for the jeep then go for suspension lift kit and tires soon maybe this weekend...so i wont get stuck as often as i liked to lol

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 10:10 AM

Yeah no kidding. Really makes me want a winch NOW! Unfortunately, the size of winch I need is pretty darn expensive and the fun spending account is at $0.

When you get some $$ You can always do the multiply meathod...Just takes more work

For sure. Had to carry a good bit of speed. I'm learning fast that when you've got that much weight moving quickly the trail determines your path more than your steering wheel. Had much more control with the Forester.

Heavy trucks are fun, but they have the bad side also

It's amazing how just a couple inches of powder will completely redirect a full size rig...

LOL.. Yes but it can be A LOT of fun also! I enjoy my old Dodge at times in the snow when it does that

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 10:11 AM

Multiply method?

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 10:14 AM

Multiply method?

You can increse your strength with pully's and such. We do have a thread on here whre you can read more about it. I will look for it

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 10:15 AM

Oooo yes I understand what you are talking about.

I plan on waiting and being cautious until I can afford a 10-12k winch. Better safe than sorry, and if you're going to put a chunk of change down, might as well wait and get what you want.

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 10:17 AM

Time for pictures!
I will try not to post duplicates of what others have put up, unless they are really good!

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3738.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3752.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3755.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3760.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3761.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3770.jpg

Medic-5150

January 12th, 2010, 10:18 AM

Pete had the same problem I did on that part...

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 10:20 AM

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3781.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3793.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3733.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3797.jpg

The skinny pedal method!!

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3824.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/IMG_3831.jpg

Nice slideshow with comments here: http://outdoors.webshots.com/slideshow/576304479RKnHBw

Album is here for people to save edited photos: http://s419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/coloradosmash81/Pole%20Hill%20FR4x4%20Jan%2010/

If anyone wants high resolution, pm me your email and what photos you would like.

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 10:20 AM

Those scenery/group pics are beautiful!! Worthy of a magazine or picture frame!

Haku

January 12th, 2010, 10:21 AM

I think he is talking about using a snatch block to double the pulling power of the winch through mechanical advantage. Either that, or he is talking about multiple winches. Could be that he is just completely insane too. All we know is, he's not the Stig (or is he).

JH

Medic-5150

January 12th, 2010, 10:22 AM

I think he is talking about using a snatch block to double the pulling power of the winch through mechanical advantage. Either that, or he is talking about multiple winches. Could be that he is just completely insane too. All we know is, he's not the Stig (or is he).

JH

hahahahahaha

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 10:32 AM

I think he is talking about using a snatch block to double the pulling power of the winch through mechanical advantage. Either that, or he is talking about multiple winches. Could be that he is just completely insane too. All we know is, he's not the Stig (or is he).

JH

:lol: :lol:

I do see what he's talking about in regards to increasing the pulling power.

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 10:47 AM

Hell yes I am the Stig.... (in a video game) LOL

Haku

January 12th, 2010, 10:51 AM

hehee.......I'm not the Stig........but I play him on TV.

JH

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 11:19 AM

Videos are uploaded but giving me an error... Here's the first one. It says error, try again later for me. :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ047fEsi0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ047fEsi0c

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 11:20 AM

Vid did not work for me?!?!?!

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 11:25 AM

Yeah I don't know what's going on with youtube.

Funrover

January 12th, 2010, 11:26 AM

I recieved an email from them saying that they were going to do maint.

Smash

January 12th, 2010, 11:34 AM

Oh ok thanks! Will be patient.

Brody

January 12th, 2010, 11:45 AM

Multiply method?

Yeah, you two winches into a dark comfortable room overnight.....wait, wait, wait...

Here is one of the recovery threads here:

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?2136-Recovery-Gear-Recovery-Gear-Instruction-Site&highlight=recovery

This is a huge reference and may be one of the best:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/

(The BillaVista link is also in both the winch section and recovery section)

And another from Front Range:

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?3653-Recovery-and-general-check-list&highlight=recovery

And yet another. This last one has a link to Warn's site which has some good information on winching in general.

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?2134-WINCHES-Rebuilding-Parts-Information-Diagrams-Testing-Sites&highlight=recovery

Essentially, you run the winch line through a pulley, then back to your rig making a 'V', ALMOST doubling your pulling power. Running another pulley (or snatch block) off of your rig and then back to the anchor (now making a 'W') more or less triples your pulling power. What we were doing the other day on Pole Hill were exclusively single line pulls where the winches were attached directly to the anchor or stuck rig with no snatch block. Even when the snatch blocks were used, they were used to direct the pull of the winch line rather than to increase the pulling power. You will need to read the snatch block/pulley stuff to get a better understanding of what kind of a numerical increase adding one or more pulleys generate, as what I explained was very simplified.

Haku

January 12th, 2010, 05:03 PM

Vid works for me.....maybe Youtube is back.

JH

Fordguy77

January 12th, 2010, 08:08 PM

A few videos turned out well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh99kxywiWo

Medic-5150

January 12th, 2010, 08:09 PM

Thanks for the video!

Fordguy77

January 12th, 2010, 08:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YbaSp-teQ

SubaCool

January 12th, 2010, 08:20 PM

Fixed it for ya :fing:
Andrew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh99kxywiWo
CR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YbaSp-teQ

Fordguy77

January 12th, 2010, 08:22 PM

Thanks Suba one day i will learn this video thing. They are the first 2 videos i have ever uploaded. And it kicked my ass at first cause i didn't have right drivers and such. And my current comp does not even have sound!!

SubaCool

January 12th, 2010, 08:22 PM

Chris, can you send me Andrew's in-cab video? kubo.nater@gmail.com

Fordguy77

January 12th, 2010, 08:23 PM

Chris, can you send me Andrew's in-cab video? kubo.nater@gmail.com

On its way.

SubaCool

January 12th, 2010, 08:26 PM

On its way.
Tweet!

Fordguy77

January 12th, 2010, 08:43 PM

Pole Hill Pictures (http://s1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/racerboy7377/Pole%20Hill%20Jan%2010%202010/)

Roostercruiser

January 12th, 2010, 11:35 PM

looks like i missed out on a fun run. great pics and Smash the winch on my burb is plenty good enough. try to find an old Warn 8274 . even the military used these on these trcks back in the day. get a snatch block and it double the pulling power. and the line speed is unbelievable it reaally ompinsates for the wieght of the burbs. i have never had a problem witj the pulling power.

SubaCool

January 12th, 2010, 11:56 PM

You're gonna like this. I went to Best Buy today and bought the MAGIX Movie Edit Pro 15. I've been playing with it for a few hours and have finally figured out how to run the picture-in-picture feature (it's actually really simple, I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out. Oh wait, the manual doesn't specify how! :mad:). Anyways, here's a video of Andrew burying his Dodge (thanks Chris for the in-cab footage!) :smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqb1g1ivg4U

I'll have more videos up later. Now that I have a better video editing program I'll be playing with it a lot :cool:

Brody

January 13th, 2010, 04:44 AM