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Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 08:39 PM
Alright guys,
First post on my project.
Heres what I'm starting with.
A 1994 Ford Ranger Splash 3.0L V-6 2wd Automatic Transmission

10305

I plan on getting a 3 inch Body lift,
A Dana 44 Front axle - Not needed
Full size Coil Springs from a Bronco (89-95)
A manual shifter transfer case (Ford Bronco II, Explorer, Ranger, F150)
Bronco Radius Arms
Front Drive Shaft
a Dropped Pittman Arm
33" All-Terrain Tires
Ford F 150/Bronco shock towers and coil mounts(top and bottom)
Shackle reversal for the rear

If you have any of these, aside from the D44
Let me know,
I'm sure we could work out a deal.
:)


It'll be coming together, slowly but surely in the next couple months.
I hope to have it out on the trails this summer.
:)

Mporter
March 7th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Is that IFS as it stands now?

Brody
March 7th, 2010, 09:04 PM
PM Rusty and see what he isn't using of the two sets of Ford coils I gave him to use for the Pathfinder lift....I am sure that he would be happy to pass on the extra set.

You didn't mention the shackle reversal for the rear.

You will also need some Ford F 150/Bronco shock towers and coil mounts(top and bottom), so if anyone has some of these kicking around, looks like donations are appreciated...

JeffX
March 7th, 2010, 09:10 PM
You should use Montero radius arms. They're designed for a D44 and strong as hell.

I have a couple in my garage.

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Is that IFS as it stands now?
I think so,
I'm still new to all this, So i'm not entirely sure.
But I'm pretty sure it is,


and Pete,
Whats Rusty's username?

Jeff,
I just wrote down the stuff on the list I got from Sean, So I'll look into the Montero radius Arms.
:)

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 09:36 PM
I'm not sure what size the D44 is,
I'll ask Sean the next time I talk to him if it's a full size or not.

scout man
March 7th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I have some coils too when you get to that point. I think they are listed on my for sale thread. they are 13" tall and pretty solid. Other than that, I probably have shocks for you when you get to that point. I have ford shock towers on my scout and I bought them from the ford dealer down the road. They are pretty cheap. other than that I have a u-joint style front drive shaft, but who knows right now if that will work for you. I also have 2 dana 20s sitting around, one older style twin stick and one more modern (relatively). They are the texas bolt pattern though, so I have no idea if that works for you or not. I agree with Adrian, start with the axle and the tcase your going to use, and start figuring the rest out from there.

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 09:43 PM
I'll see if i can get with Sean or Pete this weekend to get more specific info on what I'm going to use and need and let everybody know,
This is a complete beginner project, so I'm hoping everybody will play nice and some of you help me out with it as well.
;p

Speedwagon
March 7th, 2010, 10:09 PM
I think so,
I'm still new to all this, So i'm not entirely sure.
But I'm pretty sure it is,


and Pete,
Whats Rusty's username?

Jeff,
I just wrote down the stuff on the list I got from Sean, So I'll look into the Montero radius Arms.
:)


It's actually the TTB/TIB from end. They weren't "ifs" until 1998.

From what I recall, the cross member is different in the 4x2 vs 4x4 model. That might pose a problem for you, as the 4x2 isn't designed to accommodate a pumpkin up front.

And why do you want full size springs? It will make it right a lot stiffer, since the full size is a fair amount heavier.

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Is that IFS as it stands now?

its twin ibeam as it stands now

scout man
March 7th, 2010, 10:12 PM
and Pete, Whats Rusty's username?

Its a hard one, get a pen ready... his user name is Rusty :lmao: Just giving you a hard time. His real name is Rob.

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:12 PM
What, Old Rob?
Or is his username really rusty,

Sir, Your confusing me.
D;

Speedwagon
March 7th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Whats TIB stand for?
D;

Twin I-beams(as apposed to the TTB, which is twin traction beam)

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:13 PM
twin i-beam, came out in 1964 i do believe was the first year.

Speedwagon
March 7th, 2010, 10:14 PM
twin i-beam, came out in 1964 i do believe was the first year.

Too slow... :p

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:14 PM
Alright,
Whats the Difference between TIB and TTB?

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:16 PM
twin i beam is for a 2wd setup, and ttb is for 4 wheel drive
tib is basically just an arm going from the driver side frame rail to the passenger wheel, and vice a versa for the drivers side, each wheel can articulate independently

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Too slow... :p

haha dang, you barely got me!

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:18 PM
hahah,

So will I need to get a TTB or and IFS when I convert?

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:19 PM
nope nope nope your conversion to a dana 44 is a solid front axle stronger than both ttb and ifs

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:21 PM
Twin Traction Beam (TTB)
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/images/Rangerwithd44ttb1.JPG
Independent Front Suspension (IFS)
http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/9195600+w750+st0/129_0603_04z+ford_ranger+independent_front_suspens ion.jpg
Solid Front Axle(SFA)
http://www.watrd.com/mods/images/d44axle.jpg

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:22 PM
hahha,
I feel really dumb now,
I completely forgot I was switching to a D44 FRONT axle when I asked that,

D;

And thanks for the pics to reference.
:)

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:23 PM
yup, and you'll notice that the Twin Traction Beam, is like a cross between the two, but isnt the greatest set up ever.

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:35 PM
Ahh,

I think I might have a TIB,
But I'm not sure without going out there and checking.
XD

Speedwagon
March 7th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Ahh,

I think I might have a TIB,
But I'm not sure without going out there and checking.
XD

You do. All Rangers before 1998 have a TIB for 2wd, and TTB for 4wd.

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:41 PM
Hah,
I was right,
'Without looking.
Win.
:)
:wrench:It'll need some workin on.:wrench:

Fordguy77
March 7th, 2010, 10:43 PM
Hah,
I was right,
'Without looking.
Win.
:)
:wrench:It'll need some workin on.:wrench:

lol it wont even exist after your dana 44 swap

scout man
March 7th, 2010, 10:44 PM
What, Old Rob?
Or is his username really rusty,

Sir, Your confusing me.
D;

Alright... Rusty, is a username. The "birth" name of the member who uses the handle "Rusty" is Rob. This is not to be confused with old rob, who, despite the fact he may not be able to remember who he really is, is an altogether different person than the Rob who goes by "Rusty". For further assistance in finding the correct rob, please see the following link

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/member.php?574-Rusty

:D

Zatticus
March 7th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Ahhaha,
Wow.
I love the people on this forum.
:smokin:

Rob
March 7th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Alright... Rusty, is a username. The "birth" name of the member who uses the handle "Rusty" is Rob. This is not to be confused with old rob, who, despite the fact he may not be able to remember who he really is, is an altogether different person than the Rob who goes by "Rusty".

:lmao:

And I thought sticking with Old Rob would avoid confusion. :D

Even easier:

Rusty: Rob T.
DrOldUnit: Old Rob or Rob S.
ShutUpHippie: yet another Rob

I think we have another Rob or two, but you know how my memory is.

Rob
March 7th, 2010, 11:35 PM
On a serious note, take Adrian's advice. See what other's have done and how they've done it. Don't do things randomly. One change often changes something else, which changes something else. And so on.

1freaky1
March 8th, 2010, 06:43 AM
Zach you might want to see what this guy has as for some of the parts to build, like the transfercase.
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1631464786.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1628501024.html
Could use these parts too;
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1630906859.html

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 07:11 AM
Alright, I contacted the Ranger guys,
The Bilstein shocks and front coils are a hell of a good deal,
If only I had 150 bucks to spend on them
D;

Brody
March 8th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Ahh,

I think I might have a TIB,
But I'm not sure without going out there and checking.
XD

Doncha listen?? When you first stopped by and I stuck my head under your rig, I told ya that's what you had....so did Sean....Damn...and I thought may hearing was going out the window....

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 08:32 AM
Damn...and I thought may hearing was going out the window....
Yeahh,

I just don't listen much,
Or remember much
D;

1freaky1
March 8th, 2010, 09:12 AM
You are way too young to not hear to well yet that is for us older folk on here!:lmao: I know you are just practicing the selective hearing early.

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 09:39 AM
I know you are just practicing the selective hearing early.

There ya go.
:)

Mporter
March 8th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Thanks for the pics Chris, I forgot it was an earlier model Ford and they used TTB

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 09:21 PM
I'm also thinking about switching out the carpet, and the seats

Does anybody know if you can take a 60/40 split bench seat and put in two separate seats?

Annnd,
Has anybody ever done a carpet replacement in their vehicle?

Mporter
March 8th, 2010, 09:34 PM
I'm sure you could put 2 solo seats in replacement for your bench, just might take some custom brackets/fabbin to get em to be secure.

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Alright,
Thats what I was thinking I would need,

Mporter
March 8th, 2010, 09:57 PM
One option you could look at, is buggys. I've seen a lot of buggy builds with 2 like solo seats in the back for little kids.

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Hmmh,

Fordguy77
March 8th, 2010, 10:21 PM
I'm sure you could put 2 solo seats in replacement for your bench, just might take some custom brackets/fabbin to get em to be secure.
i still got them 2 explorer bucket seats!!! which are a bolt in swap!

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 10:27 PM
;o!

scout man
March 8th, 2010, 10:32 PM
One option you could look at, is buggys. I've seen a lot of buggy builds with 2 like solo seats in the back for little kids.

our 17 year old friend here better not have a kid! At least not if he is spending this much $$ on vehicles!! :D

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 10:34 PM
I have 7 of them
;(

scout man
March 8th, 2010, 10:34 PM
well actually thats just impressive!

Fordguy77
March 8th, 2010, 10:35 PM
i was trying to find a pic, but they went bad in my build thread, and i cant seem to find them on this comp or on my photobucket. I'll have katey send me the pics when she gets home from work tonight

Zatticus
March 8th, 2010, 10:36 PM
:)

I bought them all Hemi Trikes to go to school in.

10315

So now I don't have much mores money.
D;

Brody
March 9th, 2010, 06:02 AM
One option you could look at, is buggys. I've seen a lot of buggy builds with 2 like solo seats in the back for little kids.

You gotta trailer a buggy, Matt, and to do that you need to find both a trailer and a truck big enough to pull it. Plus you can't drive buggies on the main roads, so you have to arrange to be able to drive back to your trailer. Lots of bucks there...and the aggravation of not being able to drive on the main roads. Of course there are swap offs. You can do almost anything in a buggy, forward or backward, and if you break something major, you just have to get it to the trailer.

Zack..you should find out what size shocks Adrian (Twisted Bronc) used in his front set up. If he used the stock or modified Ford shock towers, you will have an eye mount bottom and pin mount top. Grab a set of shocks from Steve (Scout Man) that is going to work.

1freaky1
March 9th, 2010, 08:36 AM
Does anybody know if you can take a 60/40 split bench seat and put in two separate seats?

You need to take another look inside my Ranger Zach and that will show you what can be done!

Brody
March 9th, 2010, 08:48 AM
Does anybody know if you can take a 60/40 split bench seat and put in two separate seats?

Done all the time. Some bracket mods may need to be done, especially if you are using some other manufacture's seats, but normally the manufacturer will provide plugged holes or utilize the same outside seat mounts for the buckets as for the benches. Manuals usually have the buckets while autos will have the benches in the same year and make

I have Rodeo seats in my heap and all the holes lined up except for the two outer brackets. These I simply welded to the existing Yota ones. Pull and Pay has bucket seats, non leather, non heated, for $22 each.

Zatticus
March 9th, 2010, 08:55 AM
Alright, Cool guys

And I'll talk to adrian and steve later today
: )

scout man
March 9th, 2010, 09:27 AM
If he used the stock or modified Ford shock towers, you will have an eye mount bottom and pin mount top.
Arent the ford shock towers for eye to eye? Or at lease eye on top. The ford shock towers I used and I am used to referencing are set up for an eye end on top.

Mporter
March 9th, 2010, 11:58 AM
I wasn't telling him to build a buggy. I was just telling him to look at them for ideas on how what 2 single seats in the back would look like

Zatticus
March 9th, 2010, 12:59 PM
its not for the back,
It's a reg. cab,
Front seats.
:)

Brody
March 9th, 2010, 01:24 PM
its not for the back,
It's a reg. cab,
Front seats.
:)

What I was talking about. I just threw the buggy stuff in cause I didn't know if Zach knew about the pros and cons...:D

Mporter
March 9th, 2010, 03:10 PM
Ah i must have misunderstood the original question.

Rusty
March 9th, 2010, 04:36 PM
well that was interesting to read through for the first time, anyway, Pete which set of the springs you gave me do you think would work best for what he's trying to do? Im still planning on using the other set though.

Brody
March 9th, 2010, 06:48 PM
well that was interesting to read through for the first time, anyway, Pete which set of the springs you gave me do you think would work best for what he's trying to do? Im still planning on using the other set though.

Probably the stock Ford (non red and shorter) that is going to be the best set to use on yours. I would read the links on the Ford springs into the Pathy that I sent you and see what they suggest using. I would be willing to bet that it is the stock rather than the after market set that is suggested. Both the Ranger front and the Pathy rear are pretty light when compared to the big V8 and heavy body of the full Ford and Bronco these springs were from. Do yours first and see what happens. Whatever ones you have left over, pass them on to Zach. The stock ones are easy to find in any junkyard and this is a ways out.

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 10:40 AM
So, in avoidance of doing make up work in computer science, I found a guy that's in the process of building his 94 ranger splash. and I kind of like it. What do you guys think?

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2555327

I'm also thinking about putting in an explorer center console and overhead console after I swap the seats to buckets rather than the 40/60 bench.
I'll put a CB in there, too. Most likely to mount it inside the console, depending on what I go with and such.

: )

Small projects to start, until I get it ready for the trails.

Fordguy77
March 16th, 2010, 06:51 PM
So, in avoidance of doing make up work in computer science, I found a guy that's in the process of building his 94 ranger splash. and I kind of like it. What do you guys think?

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2555327

I'm also thinking about putting in an explorer center console and overhead console after I swap the seats to buckets rather than the 40/60 bench.
I'll put a CB in there, too. Most likely to mount it inside the console, depending on what I go with and such.

: )

Small projects to start, until I get it ready for the trails.
Dang i wish i would of known that you were plannig on doing that. i just threw out a center console out of a 92 explorer! I still have them buckets seats. You never did tell me if you were interested.

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 07:36 PM
Haha, I'm sure I can find some somewhere, and cheap.

I'm still interested. How much you want to let them go for?

Fordguy77
March 16th, 2010, 07:40 PM
Haha, I'm sure I can find some somewhere, and cheap.

I'm still interested. How much you want to let them go for?

hmmm thats a very good question. If you could help me move some **** of of my storage unit, i'd probably let ya have them both for $10?

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 07:42 PM
haha, Sounds good.
;p

When are you moving it all?

Fordguy77
March 16th, 2010, 07:44 PM
Um probably sometime this weekend would be good. I just need to move the axles out of storage so i can work on them. the 8.8 rear end isn't bad at all. But that dana 35 is heavier than hell!!!! granted i should of taken radius arms and other stuff off before i put it in storage. But eh live and learn?

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 07:48 PM
hahah,

Just tell me when and I'll help yeh out.
: )

Fordguy77
March 16th, 2010, 07:49 PM
alright when ya free this weekend? the storage unit is like 2 miles from petes

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 07:57 PM
Uhh, Not sure actually.
Saturday?

Fordguy77
March 16th, 2010, 08:05 PM
yeah Saturday works good for me.

Zatticus
March 16th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Alright then.
Just text me whenever you know what time.
; )

Zatticus
March 18th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Wait, If I were to put in a fullsize explorer center console, Would I still be able to use a manual shifter transfercase?

Zatticus
March 18th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Nevermind, I found out how to do it. But if I did. Would I need to get the shifter for it already connnected or how would that work?

Something like this?
10496

Mporter
March 18th, 2010, 04:43 PM
That seems like it might be in the way of your leg....

I know mine is on the top right of the trans hump.

It's underneath my hat (lower left of the pic).

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh27/shotgun12321/05b3a7e3.jpg

Zatticus
March 18th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I was thinking it might,
But, I'm gonna look some more now and see if I can find something.
;p

Chris
March 18th, 2010, 05:54 PM
Wait, If I were to put in a fullsize explorer center console, Would I still be able to use a manual shifter transfercase?

probably much smarter to get the tcase installed before concerning yourself with cosmetics. ;)


That seems like it might be in the way of your leg....

I know mine is on the top right of the trans hump.

It's underneath my hat (lower left of the pic).

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh27/shotgun12321/05b3a7e3.jpg


Matt, I think you'd like the console I'm using. Lots of Cruiser owners have adopted this one.

Fordguy77
March 19th, 2010, 12:54 AM
hey zach did you make it over to check out them explorer forums i told you about? i saw a lot of manual conversion threads over there the other day. Reading into them myself for the ranger.

Zatticus
March 19th, 2010, 01:21 AM
probably much smarter to get the tcase installed before concerning yourself with cosmetics.

True, but I need to know where to put the shifter and such and theres still a lot of things I need to do before I can get it fully switched.


hey zach did you make it over to check out them explorer forums i told you about? i saw a lot of manual conversion threads over there the other day. Reading into them myself for the ranger.

Not yet, I fell asleep after school and just woke up. I'll head over there now and see what I can find

Brody
March 19th, 2010, 07:48 AM
hey zach did you make it over to check out them explorer forums i told you about? i saw a lot of manual conversion threads over there the other day. Reading into them myself for the ranger.

Have you looked in the forum in the Ford Make and Model links for information? I compiled a lot of links and other people have added to this. There is a lot of information there.

Zatticus
March 19th, 2010, 08:28 AM
Have you looked in the forum in the Ford Make and Model links for information? I compiled a lot of links and other people have added to this. There is a lot of information there.

Why no, sir. I have not. I wasn't even aware of such a forum on this site.
;o
I'll have to look that up

Zatticus
March 19th, 2010, 09:09 AM
I found it, but once again. School computer fail.
Internet Explorer Crashes everythime I open up any of those links. Will check them when I get home
:erm:

Mporter
March 19th, 2010, 04:38 PM
Chris is that a Tuffy? If so what model number? And how did it adapt with the rear heater (not that I use it all that much)

Brody
March 19th, 2010, 07:58 PM
In the 'Tech Topics' Make and Model Links: Ford

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?1996-Ford-and-Ford-Bronco-Links

Zatticus
March 31st, 2010, 12:24 PM
Ive now got a D44 Front axle,

And I plan on tweaking the rear leaf spring just a bit to make it a tad softer
: )

I'm also going to swap the Drum brakes on the Dana to Disc Brakes as soon as I can get everything needed

Haku
March 31st, 2010, 12:31 PM
Sweeeet. Moving right along with that sucker. Let me know if you want some help with that.

JH

Zatticus
March 31st, 2010, 12:37 PM
Let me know if you want some help with that.

Will do.
: )

Fordguy77
March 31st, 2010, 02:04 PM
Awesome Zach! Cant wait to see what you do with it!

Brody
April 3rd, 2010, 06:40 AM
I still think that you need to put on some grubbies, grab some tunes, and do some junkyard wandering. Many of the axle stuff from the big Ford boats transfer over to the truck axles, etc, etc.

I would wander around and just get an idea what is there. Grab Sean on a day off. He likes to junkyard shop...

Zatticus
April 3rd, 2010, 01:37 PM
Alright. I'll find out when he's off and can go.
: )

Haku
April 3rd, 2010, 01:43 PM
I gotta go junkyarding a bit in the next week or two as well, so let me know if you want to come along. Want to see if I can find a gear drive transfer case for a triple case setup in my rig, and some basic upgraded accessory stuff like an alternator and such. Good time to find stuff, and they have lots of Ford light truck stuff there too. Colorado Auto Parts down off Santa Fe is a good place to go since they don't charge admission and don't seem to have a problem with just letting you poke around.

JH

Zatticus
April 3rd, 2010, 01:45 PM
Alright.

Let me know when you go, I wouldn't mind going with you.

scout man
April 3rd, 2010, 10:22 PM
I might be in too. See if I can figure out what I need for hydroboost brakes.

Haku
April 3rd, 2010, 10:46 PM
If the link you sent is any indication, looks like you need a whole another power steering pump for that setup. What vehicles does that setup come on? Looks like it will solve all your problems though.

JH

Zatticus
April 3rd, 2010, 11:44 PM
Alright, So

I have to ask, and, it only proves how high my mechanical knowledge is.

Whats the minimum needed to actually convert to 4wd

Aside from a Transfer Case and Front axle.

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 12:00 AM
Assuming that you find a transfer case that just bolts onto your tranny (or a tranny/transfercase combo that bolts to your engine) fabbing a cross member and finding a driveshaft are the parts you would need. If there is no direct fit transfercase, you might have to figure out an adapter. Obviously you'll have to cut a new hole in the tranny tunnel for the t-case shifter, and may have to rework other parts of the body to fit it too. Beyond that, just making sure that everything is clear for the driveshaft to come through all that.

For the axles, routing brake lines is another big one. Will your stock brake master cylinder cope with the brakes on your axle? Steering is another big one too. Do you need to find a new steering box or does the one you have work fine? High Steer or stock setup? What kind of suspension are you gonna do...Leaf springs or coils (leafs are waaaay easier)? Lots of other little niggly things that you won't think of till you are in the middle of the project too. Not neccesarily things I need answers to, but things to think about.

I would just spend some time imagining yourself sitting in the rig, and what needs to happen from where you sit to getting power to the wheels (or stopping). Steering wheel, to steering box, to drag link, to tie rod, to knuckles, to hubs to wheels, to tires. For power, gas pedal to engine, to tranny, to transfer case, to driveshafts, to differential, to axle shafts, to hubs, to wheels. For brakes, brake pedal, to master cylinder to, brake line distribution, to proportioning valve, to break lines, to different flexible breaklines (are they long enough), to brakes to, to wheels. You get the idea.

JH

Zatticus
April 4th, 2010, 12:08 AM
D;

This is gonna end up being more work than I thought, isn't it?

Oh well. I'll still get the satisfaction of saying, I DID IT!
;p

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 12:14 AM
Yes it is.

Definitely cooler to know you did it yourself (though I will say that I really liked buying my rig with bunch of the crappy stuff done already). I go both ways. Its nice to do stuff exactly as you like, and also nice to just go wheel with it.

JH

Chris
April 4th, 2010, 12:14 AM
This is gonna end up being more work than I thought, isn't it?

Yes, I'd suggest finding another truck as the easier route. Probably end up being more cost-effective and you'll still have plenty of satisfaction getting it trail worthy.

Zatticus
April 4th, 2010, 12:18 AM
hmmh.

Everybody keeps saying I should just find another truck.
But me and my truck. We've got some history.

;)

I'll stick with it though.

I'll have it really started by the end of this month.
And I'm determined to have it out on the trails sometime this summer.
;p

Chris
April 4th, 2010, 12:23 AM
Determination and history are a good combination. :thunb:

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 12:25 AM
How about sticking with the Splash as your DD and maybe getting a project truck. Scoutman's rig only cost $800 when he bought it stock and was built up like it is with pretty easy to do stuff like a spring over lift and such. You can manage this with a bunch of different brands of rig, but the older ones are easier to do it with cheaply. Just a thought.

JH

Chris
April 4th, 2010, 12:29 AM
twofer: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1665454951.html

Zatticus
April 4th, 2010, 12:43 AM
How about sticking with the Splash as your DD

I've been determined to do something with it ever since I got it as my own.

I was thinking about getting something thats a decent tow vehicle as my DD and tow vehicle :lmao:


It'll get done soon enough though, don't worry guys.
By the time I had enough money to buy another truck to turn into a rig, i'd have the money and have spent the time on getting mine converted.
:)

scout man
April 4th, 2010, 07:27 AM
If the link you sent is any indication, looks like you need a whole another power steering pump for that setup. What vehicles does that setup come on? Looks like it will solve all your problems though.

JH

No, I can run it off a Saginaw. Seen it done no problem. Comes off a chevy astro van, around the '95 era.

Mporter
April 4th, 2010, 08:37 AM
twofer: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1665454951.html

Hell yeah... you could use one for parts, and then make the other a trail rig

I.E. http://forum.ih8mud.com/4752273-post181.html

Chris
April 4th, 2010, 08:49 AM
I'd love to do that to mine!

Mporter
April 4th, 2010, 08:51 AM
I know Chris, I know :jiggy:

Chris
April 4th, 2010, 08:55 AM
Mace has one too, named it Bob. I saw saw in Moab years ago and love the departure angle, so much better than ours.

Mporter
April 4th, 2010, 10:26 AM
named it Bob

Quite appropriate I do believe

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 01:53 PM
No, I can run it off a Saginaw. Seen it done no problem. Comes off a chevy astro van, around the '95 era.

yeah, so it can use the pump for power steering and this hydro boost at the same time then? Those vans are a dime a dozen at the parts the Junkyards, so I imagine we can find it just fine for much cheaper. They would probably sell it to you for the same price as a master cylinder. If you do that, I'll take your stock MC, since I think with a basic adapter it will work for my rig to upgrade it.

JH

scout man
April 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM
yeah, so it can use the pump for power steering and this hydro boost at the same time then? Those vans are a dime a dozen at the parts the Junkyards, so I imagine we can find it just fine for much cheaper. They would probably sell it to you for the same price as a master cylinder. If you do that, I'll take your stock MC, since I think with a basic adapter it will work for my rig to upgrade it.

JH
Yea, it will run both. Not sure if hydroboost and hydrosteering would be pushing it though. You can have the old one if you want it, but there is a reason I am replacing it. Mostly because it is crap. You can also have the one sitting on the floor of my garage.

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 09:04 PM
What do you guys think of doing a Junkyard trip on Tuesday, late morning? Scoutman has his thing he needs, Wyota says he wants to look for some leaf springs, and I need to look for a new alternator and maybe a Saginaw power steering pump (for a different project). I was thinking 10am at either Colorado Auto Parts or the Denver Upull and Pay, depending on your guys preference.

JH

Mporter
April 4th, 2010, 09:17 PM
wish I could tag along....I got school till 2 and then work at 5

Zatticus
April 4th, 2010, 11:20 PM
Yeah, I have school til 2 as well. Spring Breaks over
D:

Haku
April 4th, 2010, 11:41 PM
hmmm......guess Steve and I are on our own then. Wyota realized he was out of funds for stuff, so he's a no go too. Suppose we could go when you guys get out of school or something though. Most of the places start pushing you out the door before 5pm though.

JH

Speedwagon
April 5th, 2010, 12:33 AM
Alright, So

I have to ask, and, it only proves how high my mechanical knowledge is.

Whats the minimum needed to actually convert to 4wd

Aside from a Transfer Case and Front axle.

The engine crossmember on a 2wd vs 4wd Ranger is different as well. When converting to a D35 TTB setup from a TAB, you need to swap the crossmember as well, or the pumpkin will hit. However, if you are going solid axle, you might not have that problem if you lift it enough.

Mporter
April 5th, 2010, 07:33 AM
hmmm......guess Steve and I are on our own then. Wyota realized he was out of funds for stuff, so he's a no go too. Suppose we could go when you guys get out of school or something though. Most of the places start pushing you out the door before 5pm though.

JH

It's alright, just go whenever. The stuff i'm looking for isn't crucial anyways, and i'd probably have better luck at YotaJims anyhow.

Zatticus
April 5th, 2010, 09:00 AM
The engine crossmember on a 2wd vs 4wd Ranger is different as well. When converting to a D35 TTB setup from a TAB, you need to swap the crossmember as well, or the pumpkin will hit. However, if you are going solid axle, you might not have that problem if you lift it enough.


I won't have the lift for a short while,
But, it depends on how I approach this, as I may be able to get the lift when I get the rest of the stuff I need. I'll get there when I get there.


Josh- It's fine, I'll probably just end up going one of the days Sean is off of work. But thanks for the offer.
:thunb:

Brody
April 6th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Alright, So

I have to ask, and, it only proves how high my mechanical knowledge is.

Whats the minimum needed to actually convert to 4wd

Aside from a Transfer Case and Front axle.

2WD Ranger to 4WD Ranger links for ya, Zach:

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14338

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45286

http://caraddict4addicts.com/us/index.php?page=ford

Spend some time of the RangerStation board on their tech thread. You will probably find all the answers that you need. You at least have the advantage of the steering box that you do not have to replace and now the Dana 44 front axle.

Zatticus
April 6th, 2010, 08:53 AM
Thanks Pete!

:thunb:

1freaky1
April 7th, 2010, 08:53 AM
Zach when would you like to get together and get something started on the D44 as to cleaning it up and figuring out some measurements?

Zatticus
April 7th, 2010, 09:38 AM
When are you available?

1freaky1
April 7th, 2010, 09:41 AM
Anytime before two pm and all day on Mondays and Tuesdays

Zatticus
April 7th, 2010, 09:44 AM
I can either comeby this weekend or after school Monday and Tuesday.

So whenever works best for you, I can make it.

Zatticus
April 7th, 2010, 11:27 AM
Sadly, I've been thinking about selling it and getting something 4wD,
If sold As is, I'd be lucky to get 2k from it,

Anybody know of decent 4x4 trucks in that price range that also get decent gas mileage?


And remember. This is still just a thought. If I get a decent paying Job soon, I'm not selling it.
: )

Aaron
April 7th, 2010, 12:10 PM
Opinion Alert!

I'd buy a 4WD, especially if you get a decent paying job. Seems like a lot of headache to change a 2wd to a 4wd. I bet that for the cost of the parts alone (not counting your time), you could get a half decent 4WD. Then you could spend all your extra time on the rally car!

My 2 cents :2c:

Haku
April 7th, 2010, 12:41 PM
Since you want to do a RWD rally car, why not make the Ranger your rally rig? Seems like you could fairly easily add a cage and maybe beef up the suspension and have a decent thing to at least start into rally with. Maybe a bit down on power, but if you take as much heavy stuff out of it as possible it should be fine. Not sure about rules on that, but I'm sure there is a class out there you could join. Then, once you have a job, a trail rig isn't too hard to find cheapish.

As for cheap, economical, trail rigs to look at, you can't beat a Toyota. I've seen stock late 80's Toyota's in decent shape go for $1000 or so fairly often. Easy to find parts, lots of aftermarket support, and a bunch of guys on here who know how to do the modifications. Of that size of truck, its definitely the easiest to find parts for, especially around here. I'm a bit biased though I suppose.

If you are willing to take a small hit on the "cheap to run" front(i.e. gas mileage and such), older Scouts and Bronco's are a great base to start with. They are pretty large statured vehicle, but they do well offroad and can be found for cheap. Scoutman got his rig for $800 and everything worked on it, but it had a decent but not excessive amount of body damage. Its not a show car, but I think it has a lot of character that others might not. Takes more customization on your part, but nothing too bad. Lifts are relatively easy on it, with the Spring Over job adding enough to go with at least 35" tires after some fender trimming. The K5 blazers seem to fit into this category too, so have a look at those.

JH

Zatticus
April 7th, 2010, 02:51 PM
hmmh,
I never thought about doing that.
>_<

I could, I'd have to think about it,
Do you think something like this
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/303921
Minus the interior styling,. and plus a rollcage

I don't know.
I've still got so much that I could do, ahah.

I've seen a couple Bronco's fairly prebuilt for about 4-5k
I'd still like to think about an 80's toyota, like an 85 or so

But I also don't want something too heavy that would have problems getting up steep hills and such.
;)

If I were to do that with my ranger though, I'd have to do a tranny swap.
How much work is needed for auto to manual tranny?

1freaky1
April 9th, 2010, 07:08 AM
Hey Zach here is a good start for you

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1676807561.html

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Heres my plan.
I'm just going to focus on my truck until I get it how I want it, not going to get a rally car this summer. Maybe a motorcycle for good gasmileage,

I'm going to make the interior of my truck like a "show truck" (I like nice things):D
And the exterior just a full offroad truck. I've found good audio systems that I'm looking into getting.
A custom Center Console after I swap to bucket seats, (end up with racing seats) and a 5 point harness,

I just want the interior to be fully custom.
Thats just how I roll.
:D


I'm also going to end up dropping a 5.0 V8 Engine into it, Supercharged of course.

Custom made supercharger, CAI, and maybe even custom headers. Free FLow Exhaust.
uhhh,
Yeah.
Stuff like that.

My truck will be rad.
For sure.
:D


First things first however.
4wD and on the trails by this summer.
:thunb:

Brody
April 16th, 2010, 10:10 AM
Shop around for the seats. Speaking from experience, you will want to have fully adjustable rather than a fixed 'race style' seat. You may also not want to get a $300-500 each race seat and simply opt for a $20-70 nice bucket seat out of something else, especially if it going to be a DD. I got my Rodeo buckets from Pull and Pay for $22 and they replaced the 'racing buckets' I had in it. After 2 hours, I no longer feel like I was in a wreck...

Concentrate on doing the 4x4 conversion. Then you will at least be able to wheel it. Do all the rest of the junk after the 4x4. Most of that comes under the 'weekend' project time frame except for the engine conversion.

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 10:14 AM
get :wrench:ing!!

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 10:41 AM
Concentrate on doing the 4x4 conversion. Then you will at least be able to wheel it. Do all the rest of the junk after the 4x4. Most of that comes under the 'weekend' project time frame except for the engine conversion.

Thats pretty much the plan
: )

THe engine thing, i'd like to make the actual swap a "weekend" project. Just make all of the mounts and fabricated stuff it needs prior to the replacement, and then get it in and out as fast as I can, whether it be realistic or not.

Thanks for the seat advice.
I'll do that.

What would be needed for power leather seats?

Aaron
April 16th, 2010, 10:52 AM
What would be needed for power leather seats?
1. The Power
2. The Leather
3. The Seats

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 10:53 AM
yup, aaron beat me to it. Get the seats, run a 12v line to it.

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 10:55 AM
1. The Power 2. The Leather 3. The Seats

Smart ass.



So, I would just need a 12v connector to it?
and they would work?
:D

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 10:58 AM
I would think so. The motors and buttons should all be included in the seat already, just have to get it power (fused)

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Woo!

Another random question.
Is it better to have more torque or horsepower on the trails?

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:01 AM
torque torque torque torque


you can have all the horse power you want, if there is no torque to the wheels your arent going anywhere.

Haku
April 16th, 2010, 11:03 AM
Torque for sure. The more you can just idle along, the easier wheeling is. Low end torque is what allows you to do this. Horsepower is usually comes in handy for when you have to throttle down to get up something, but I try and avoid doing so because that's when you end up breaking something or rolling. It is nice for snow bashing and such though, since you can keep the wheels spinning. You can make up for a lack of Torque with lower gearing, which is what the wheeling world of Toyota's tend to do. No replacement for displacement when it comes to power though. People say that 400hp in a 4 cylinder and 400hp in a V8 are the same, but the torque ratings and where that horsepower occurs during the rev range differs significantly. Same goes for Turbo vs. Supercharger. Supercharger comes on right away since its belt drive, and Turbo comes on mid to high in the rev range. I prefer a Turbo since it doesn't sap power away from the engine to make power, so it doesn't kill your gas mileage. Getting the right turbo for the given application is key though, so it takes some research.

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 11:03 AM
Thought so,

Because, when I do end up getting a 5.0 swap.
Mustang and F150 Engines are built differently, Mustang for HP F150 for torque.

Looks like I'm going with the F150.
:D

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Horsepower is usually usually comes in handy for when you have to throttle down to get up something,

Thats when you cause your self to roll easier too, when you just hammer the gas to get up that massively oversized rock/hill

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Looks like I'm going with the F150.

or you could just buy the f150, that already has 4x4, and chop the bed down to save your departure angle, and you are where you want to be with your little truck for a heck of a lot cheaper and a heck of a lot less work.

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 11:09 AM
But then it's not a little truck
:erm:

I like my truck.
And i've got the plans.
And wanna do it.
:D


I'll probably chop the bed down on mine now, kind of like what Sean has on his.
I like that idea.
;)



And it's cheaper to get the engine out of an f150 than to buy an f150
I hope.

Unless you know where to get a cheap one.
Then I can lower the Ranger and lift than f150
: )

Brody
April 16th, 2010, 11:10 AM
Torque: Atlas, Klune, Inch Worm, 203/205 doubler (cheapest in your case, I think). Even a 150hp Yota will out crawl and wheel a 500 hp rig if it has a doubler.

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:19 AM
I like my truck.

I really like my truck too, thats why I bought my scout and take it out and beat the **** out of it. That way my truck will still be nice and running years down the road and I can still enjoy it, then torture my future kids by making them drive a '97 truck when they learn how to drive :D But by then I hope it will be worth something, as there were not a lot of trucks made in the body style of mine, and mine was the first year of that style. It is also in very good physical condition, although it has 210,000 on it.

Haku
April 16th, 2010, 11:21 AM
But then it's not a little truck
:erm:

I like my truck.
And i've got the plans.
And wanna do it.
:D


I'll probably chop the bed down on mine now, kind of like what Sean has on his.
I like that idea.
;)



And it's cheaper to get the engine out of an f150 than to buy an f150
I hope.

Unless you know where to get a cheap one.
Then I can lower the Ranger and lift than f150
: )

I think you might be surprised. Having researched engine swaps quite a bit, and having done carb swaps and turbo swaps and other stuff like that, it almost always costs way more then it initially seems like it might. Easier if you do a engine and tranny swap, since you won't have to find an adapter. Still have to rewire at least some of it, which takes FOREVER, especially if you are new to it. Pretty sure you could find a 4WD F-150 for $1000-2000 that runs decently and has the 4WD system and engine you want already in it and working. Then, since you have the Dana 44, you could do an SAS on it (assuming it the diff resides on the right side) and have a very competent wheeler. Double plus, then you'd still have the Splash to drive while you are doing your project. Having your daily driver be your project car can be annoying and ruins days for you when you need a vehicle to get around but the engine isn't working. Food for thought.

JH

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:24 AM
and I was actually thinking early 90's F150 that will already have a solid axle front and rear. Say you pick one up for $1500, but you dont have to SAS, you dont have to convert to 4x4, and you dont have to engine swap. If money is an issue you would come out WAY ahead, and have money sooner to be able to "trick" out the inside with whatever crap you want. :D

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Buuuut,
By the time I have money for that,
Well,
It'd take forever.

Unlessss,
I put in a D44, and 4wd in the ranger. To get me on the trails.
And then buy the F150 and mkae it a hardcore offroad rig

That'd work
Right?

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:28 AM
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1693340136.html example. already 4x4 sas, easy to lift, no bed to get in the way in the rear, etc. grab this (something like it when the time comes), throw some new tires on it and hit the trails hard!

Haku
April 16th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Torque: Atlas, Klune, Inch Worm, 203/205 doubler (cheapest in your case, I think). Even a 150hp Yota will out crawl and wheel a 500 hp rig if it has a doubler.

Geez Brody, the kid already has expensive aspirations, don't go throwing more $3000 parts into the pot for him to drool over.

Agreed that a doubler is a really nice thing to have, and the NP203 to 205 t-case combo is a very popular mod and should be reasonably easy to put together. For Colorado wheeling, something low to medium power works great, since its more about crawling over chunky terrain and only gets slick during the winter. Even mud here is more like sandy puddles then the gloopy thick mess that other parts of the country enjoy. I've noticed that the 500hp beasts occur much more to the East of us, since its all about getting up steep, moss and mud covered rock and dirt hills. Need the HP to keep the wheels spinning and clearing the mud. For Colorado, low and slow works great though, so you probably don't need the ultra high HP torque monster engine here. Its just going to break more stuff and you'll have to keep beefing it up with more expensive stuff.

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 11:42 AM
here you go! this has been for sale for a while, could prolly pick it up for $800 :D :D

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1694838985.html

Zatticus
April 16th, 2010, 12:46 PM
My heads already filled with 43890174839021 ideas.

Now you want to just keep filling it.


I'm surprised it hasn't exploded already
:erm:

Fordguy77
April 16th, 2010, 03:09 PM
Buuuut,
By the time I have money for that,
Well,
It'd take forever.

Unlessss,
I put in a D44, and 4wd in the ranger. To get me on the trails.
And then buy the F150 and mkae it a hardcore offroad rig

That'd work
Right?
I tired this method and ended up with a bunch of half done vehicles.

transplant87
April 16th, 2010, 08:31 PM
i run the f150 and i have a lot of towing power even running on 33s and i only have the 5.0 on stock grars and i highly think an f150 will be good for towing

Rob
April 16th, 2010, 08:43 PM
I'm surprised it hasn't exploded already

You're surprised? Say it ain't so!

Speedwagon
April 16th, 2010, 10:08 PM
...

scout man
April 16th, 2010, 10:24 PM
Zach, if you are seriously thinking of an engine swap, I would suggest you get with Greenramp, as he mentioned on another thread that he is putting in a new motor this weekend and invited help/visitors. It would be good for you to see what it REALLY intails so you can make a better informed desicion. There are a few of these going on on the forum right now, as I think TwistedBronc is doing one this weekend as well.

Brody
April 17th, 2010, 08:15 AM
My heads already filled with 43890174839021 ideas.

Now you want to just keep filling it.


I'm surprised it hasn't exploded already
:erm:

It hasn't exploded. It has merely started to ooze out your hair follicles...

Suggestion:

Before anything else, set your budget. Then see what you really have to work with $$ wise and make a decision based on that. As Chris mentioned: having 3-4 project rigs sitting around all in various states of being done and all waiting on both money and time to get them done, isn't going to get wheels on either the road or trail. One of the reasons I have purposefully tried to keep my 'project rig' down to just one vehicle. I have done the same thing, ending up with 3 non running rigs and either taking the bus or walking. Felt kinda stupid to tell you the truth...

mikeyc66
April 17th, 2010, 08:49 AM
Big question Zach, you DO have another vehicle, right?:rolleyes: Cause this one ain't gonna run for a while during build....

Not sure why no one has suggested finding a totaled 4wd Ranger to start, one with no motor would be even better/ cheaper. Should be cheap and cut WAY down on the fab work in the end. You can always build more later.

You are aware that these trucks have won thier class in Baja for the last ... many years...:cool: Check net for some cool site/ vids, tons of rangers being built out there for everything..If i would ever drive a Ford...:eek: nahh

Zatticus
April 17th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Dont worry.
Before I do anything major that would put my vehicle out of commison,
I'm giong to gaet a cheap DD
: )

scout man
April 17th, 2010, 07:52 PM
so:
- Ranger
- Rally car
- cheap DD
- tow rig
- trailer
- motorcycle/dirtbike

am I missing anything?

SubaCool
April 17th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Funny how this thread is on page 9 but it hasn't taken off yet :p

Rob
April 17th, 2010, 08:17 PM
am I missing anything

A trip to Borders for a copy of "Stock Trading in the 21st Century." :)

Chris
April 17th, 2010, 08:19 PM
so:
- Ranger
- Rally car
- cheap DD
- tow rig
- trailer
- motorcycle/dirtbike

am I missing anything?

You forgot the RC and the Army. ;)

Zatticus
April 17th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Did you guys not read the part that said I'm going to not worry about the other stuff until I get my trail rig to a decent point.
: )



am I missing anything?
A prerunner.
aND RC Cars/ Helicopters / Planes

A private Helicopter.
: )


Funny how this thread is on page 9 but it hasn't taken off yet
aGREED

Chris
April 17th, 2010, 08:21 PM
Did you guys not read the part that said I'm going to not worry about the other stuff until I get my trail rig to a decent point.

Sure we did but if we paid attention we wouldn't be able to give you sh!t. ;)

Brody
April 17th, 2010, 08:25 PM
Did you guys not read the part that said I'm going to not worry about the other stuff until I get my trail rig to a decent point.
: )



A prerunner.
aND RC Cars/ Helicopters / Planes

A private Helicopter.
: )


aGREED

Could you please repeat that Zach? I couldn't hear what you wrote....

Zatticus
April 17th, 2010, 08:26 PM
:lmao:
That made for a good laugh you two.


I can't ever hear what I write myself, Pete.
Your not alone.


Do you think Deaf people can hear when they make noises themselves?
;o!

Mporter
April 17th, 2010, 08:30 PM
Could you please repeat that Zach? I couldn't hear what you wrote....

Another sure sign of age.

Rob
April 17th, 2010, 08:39 PM
Do you think Deaf people can hear when they make noises themselves?

Interesting question. You should ask Brian and Sylma if you're ever on a run with them.

Zatticus
April 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
ou should ask Brian and Sylma if you're ever on a run with them.

Who?

Rob
April 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Brian Pleasant. He goes by the screen name ... ready for this? ... Brian Pleasant. Check the members list. He drives a yellow Jeep (when Sylma lets him).

Zatticus
April 17th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Hahaha, alright
: )

Zatticus
April 18th, 2010, 07:37 PM
I think i'm going to scrap the lifted ranger idea

You guys are right. It'd be much easier just to buy a 4wd vehicle.
Which I'll probably do. I'll see if I can find an older Jeep or something
: )


But I think I"m going to lower my ranger.
:thunb:

Anybody on here know anything about lowering trucks?
Also, I heard somebody talking today about extending their cab,
You can do that?!

How much work is involved and whats needed to do that?

Speedwagon
April 18th, 2010, 09:08 PM
If you are interested, I will be selling my '87 Ranger 4x4 soon. It is by no means perfect, but it got me out on the trails last year. And it'll be sub-$1000 too. Only the 2.3 in it now, but it makes it a good candidate for an engine swap down the line.

Zatticus
April 18th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Alright.

When do you think you'll be selling it?

Auto or Manual T ransfer case?
And let me know when, I'll start saving up then.
: )

Speedwagon
April 18th, 2010, 09:36 PM
The word "auto" or "electronic" doesn't really apply to anything on this truck. Manual Tcase, manual trans, manual hubs, standard cab long bed.

Zatticus
April 18th, 2010, 09:42 PM
Standard cab meaning not extended cab?
ahah

Awesome. I'll get to learn to drive a manual well.
I hope.

ahah

I'll start saving up when I get a job. I'll go job hunting tomorrow
:D

Chris
April 18th, 2010, 10:04 PM
That would work well for you Zach, you wouldn't even have to change this thread. ;)

Zatticus
April 18th, 2010, 10:15 PM
you wouldn't even have to change this thread

:lmao::banana::lmao:

Yuuup.
;)

1freaky1
April 19th, 2010, 03:04 AM
I think i'm going to scrap the lifted ranger idea

You guys are right. It'd be much easier just to buy a 4wd vehicle.
Which I'll probably do. I'll see if I can find an older Jeep or something
: )



But I think I"m going to lower my ranger.
:thunb:



Anybody on here know anything about lowering trucks?
Also, I heard somebody talking today about extending their cab,
You can do that?!

How much work is involved and whats needed to do that?

Zack I have done that on the rangers too actually two of them, the year of your ranger is one of the easier ones to lower, anything after 98 is more difficult and more expensive. There are a couple descions to make in reagrds to doing it like how low you want to go (which will determine the cost and work involved) do you want to do a static drop or full air bag setup to drag it?

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 06:49 AM
(which will determine the cost and work involved) do you want to do a static drop or full air bag setup to drag it?
I think I want to do a static drop first, save up for bags and then do that.

Unless it''d be easier and cheaper to go straight to the bags

1freaky1
April 19th, 2010, 06:56 AM
A static drop will run you about $700-900 and the time too install it, where a bag system can be done any # of ways and come in close to the same price or you can buy a complete kit and it can run as much as $2500 plus time.

Check out www.suicidedoors.com (http://www.suicidedoors.com) for prices talk with Matt there and also go on ebay and look up the seller http://stores.ebay.com/Price-Bustezz? (http://stores.ebay.com/Price-Bustezz? talk) talk to Chris there he has some good deals.

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 07:03 AM
Alright,
What all is needed for a bag kit?

I know theres all the leaf spring flip kit and reversal type stuff,
But I've heard some people say thatBagged trucks don't have suspension?

1freaky1
April 19th, 2010, 07:13 AM
Alright,
But I've heard some people say thatBagged trucks don't have suspension?

If this was a true statement then Cadillac, Licoln, Lexxus and all the expensice cars would not have any suspension travel. Same with semis. They have travel and there are ways to work the systems so you have an awesome ride.

If you want it to layout on the ground you will need dropped beams for the front minium of 2600# bags and the rear would need a link system and 2500# bags then you need to figure out do you want to front to back or side to side actions because that will determine how many valves you need and switches plus size of air tank and compressor plus how many compressors. And nitro dropped shocks all 4 corners.

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 07:16 AM
If you want it to layout on the ground you will need dropped beams for the front minium of 2600# bags and the rear would need a link system and 2500# bags then you need to figure out do you want to front to back or side to side actions because that will determine how many valves you need and switches plus size of air tank and compressor plus how many compressors. And nitro dropped shocks all 4 corners.

How do you keep the front and back from banging when you go over speedbumps and such?

I'd like front to back actions.
: )

Aaron
April 19th, 2010, 08:26 AM
How do you keep the front and back from banging when you go over speedbumps and such?

I'd like front to back actions.
: )

Air up the bags

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 09:14 AM
Air up the bags

Lol, Oh




I also want to shave the door handles, the gas tank door, and reroute it, and the tail bed handle. Get a custom interior.
Basically make this a "show truck" with an Optimus Prime Type of look to it (Animated Series not movie). Maybe a comic book hero like the Green Lantern of Flash.
;)

Is it possible to put in a sunroof if it wasn't factory installed?

Mporter
April 19th, 2010, 03:17 PM
Is it possible to put in a sunroof if it wasn't factory installed?

Yeah. It just depends on how good you want it to look and if you want manual vs. power.

Chris
April 19th, 2010, 03:21 PM
Is it possible to put in a sunroof if it wasn't factory installed?

Sure, I have an aftermarket in mine, looks good but it's manual. It can flip open or be removed, good enough for me!

Aaron
April 19th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Just take the bypass of "The Bypass" on Left Hand Canyon and you have a good chance at getting a non-removable, non-closable sunroof for FREE!

Skeeters bent a roof bow on it...

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 07:31 PM
:lmao:
'

It can flip open or be removed, good enough for me!

Can it be removed easily?

How much would it cost to do?

Also, how easy/hard is it to swap out the rear window for a solid rear rather than sliding rear?

Chris
April 19th, 2010, 07:42 PM
Release 2 clips on the hinge and it comes right off, cost about 200 IIRC - check here: http://www.crlaurence.com/adv/autoproducts/index.html

2nd part, I have no idea but also don't know why you'd want solid rear window.

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 07:46 PM
Release 2 clips on the hinge and it comes right off, cost about 200 IIRC - check here: http://www.crlaurence.com/adv/autoproducts/index.html

2nd part, I have no idea but also don't know why you'd want solid rear window.


Because my splash ranger is going to be heading towards the showtruck end of the spectrum. And solid Rear windows are one of those subtle yet great looking things you can do for your truck. I don't ever open the rear slider either.



That sounds good. I'll ccheck the site later
: )

Fordguy77
April 19th, 2010, 09:27 PM
Its as simple as buying a solid back window...my 70 has one, but i am gonna switch to a slider, i love them back windows and floor vents!

scout man
April 19th, 2010, 09:29 PM
x2, I love being able to open my back window. Especially now that I have no AC

Zatticus
April 19th, 2010, 10:19 PM
:lmao:
I think the solid ones look nicer, Sliders bring more functionality.
Which is something I'm not really looking for on this truck.
I'm going to drop a 5.0 Mustang Engine and Manual Tranny down the road.
;)
Lower truck, more horsepower.

Speedwagon
April 19th, 2010, 10:22 PM
Also, how easy/hard is it to swap out the rear window for a solid rear rather than sliding rear?

Not hard at all. And they cost about $35 at the Pull n Pay(I got mine at the Denver location). If you know how to put them in, they are way easier than if no one has told you the 'proper' method. Rope is your friend in this case.

1freaky1
April 20th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Zach check out this posting I just put up and you will get an idea of one done with full air ride set up.

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?9505-Some-of-you-may-remember-this&p=100344#post100344

Zatticus
April 23rd, 2010, 05:30 PM
I decided I'm not going to lower it or do any interior mods just yet.

First on my list, goes to an engine swap.
85 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 and C5(I tihink) manual transmission
Audio System.
Bucket Seats.


And as soon as thats done, I start with everything else.
:thunb:


ANNND, Buying a cheap 4x4.
:D

scout man
April 23rd, 2010, 05:31 PM
:rolleyes:

Zatticus
April 23rd, 2010, 05:32 PM
Hey, I'm getting more realistic here. Be proud.
so take your
:rolleyes:
And


Just laugh/


Ahahah.
Hey, its better and more realistic than alll the other stuff I want to do toit.

SubaCool
April 23rd, 2010, 06:30 PM
:D:D:D

Zatticus
April 23rd, 2010, 06:43 PM
I'm starting!
I just have to find an 85 5.0 Engine and tranny.
;)

Be Patient

Fordguy77
April 23rd, 2010, 07:05 PM
May i ask why 85? And i believe a C5 is an auto.

Mporter
April 23rd, 2010, 07:26 PM
Kubo you're a genious

Zatticus
April 23rd, 2010, 08:19 PM
May i ask why 85? And i believe a C5 is an auto.

The year they beefed it up and put it to 220hp, and its carb injected.
Ahah,

Its hard to explain my reasoning behind that.


Thats what I was afraid of.
ahah.


Thanks for pointing that out.
Well then, an 85 5.0 Mustang 5speed Manual tranny.
:thunb:

Fordguy77
April 23rd, 2010, 09:06 PM
Oh ok, i also believe they ran a 5.0L HO from the factory from 83-85. But i am not sure on the actual year range. And i would look into emission laws about what the rules are about running a carb in a vehicle that is supposed to be fuel injected. I have heard of some issues of it before, but not sure how it applies here.

1freaky1
April 24th, 2010, 01:35 AM
Zach not to burst your bubble on the motor swap but you have to keep in mind as for the emisssions laws what ever you swap to, it will have to meet the emission standards for the year of your truck so since you are running a 98 ranger that is what the standards are going to have to meet.

And what is carb injection never heard of that before.

Zatticus
April 25th, 2010, 09:59 PM
And what is carb injection never heard of that before.

Just a vehicle with a carburetor, rather than being Fuel Injected.



I'll check all of the emissions then.
Damn government, takin away my fun.
:erm:


And Sean; If I wanted to go to bags and drag my truck.
Would a 3/4 drop be good?
The Splash's already have the 1 inch drop in the front bringing it to a 4/4
Would I have to go farther when i got bags?

1freaky1
April 26th, 2010, 12:30 AM
Yeah 3/4 drop is good one to use, still pretty much keeps things in good order with out a bunch of mods and you don't need bags with it. I ran a 3/4 on my 93 splash drove good and handled well even @105 mph on the way to Vegas.

Zatticus
April 26th, 2010, 06:32 AM
93 splash drove good and handled well even @105 mph on the way to Vegas.

Was it a 4.0? :lmao: I don't think mine can reach 105mph.


What would be the minmum for that?
a 4" Rear Flip kit and 3" drop I-Beams?
Anything else needed?

What drop do you think that rear is?
http://www.sirmichaels.com/images/old_site/img_ford/94ranger.jpg

Also, If I were to ever put bags on it, and "drag frame" what kind of mods are needed?
And a low profile transmission, do they make them for all types of transmissions? or how does that work? 0.o

Zatticus
April 27th, 2010, 01:20 PM
And i believe a C5 is an auto.


Your right, I looked it up, I want a T-5 tranny, not C5.

They make those too close.
/;

CR
April 27th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Any progress???

Mporter
April 27th, 2010, 02:21 PM
Any progress???

Dreams are continuing.....so i suppose so.

Zatticus
April 27th, 2010, 09:08 PM
Not yet, but atleast I've put in realistic goals.
;)


It'll start soon./

Be patient!



Should I post absolutely anything somewhat significant I do to my truck on here?

That way you guys know I do stuff?
;)

scout man
April 27th, 2010, 09:14 PM
Should I post absolutely anything somewhat significant I do to my truck on here? That way you guys know I do stuff?

YES!

Aaron
April 27th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Be easy on Zakticitus... He has a triumphant victory here. He has 6 pages to his build thread and he hasn't built anything...except the thread. And we keep replying :)

Zatticus
April 27th, 2010, 09:35 PM
12 pages and like 1250 views.

:D


I'll start next week. Adjusting my throttle cable and possibly putting in a third brake light blinker.
;)

Chris
April 27th, 2010, 09:51 PM
1250 views

Hope springs eternal :erm:

Rob
April 27th, 2010, 11:01 PM
Hope springs eternal :erm:

I thought Hope Springs was in Mississippi?

Maybe you could rename this thread "Project Hope."

Zatticus
April 27th, 2010, 11:05 PM
Maybe you could rename this thread "Project Hope."
Maybe you could rename this thread "Project Hope."


If there was any
:erm:

Rob
April 27th, 2010, 11:09 PM
If there was any
:erm:

You always have hope until you give up.

So just don't give up. :thunb:

Zatticus
April 27th, 2010, 11:11 PM
:lmao:

But, I'm a quitter!

Mporter
April 28th, 2010, 12:05 AM
:lmao:

But, I'm a quitter!

That's the spirit......I can see how this build is going to end up....as a craigslist ad

Brody
April 28th, 2010, 05:57 AM
Should I post absolutely anything somewhat significant I do to my truck on here?

That way you guys know I do stuff?
;)

YES X2! Hey...even if you wash the damn thing at least take some before and afters for us, OK?

Oh yeah...you quit at this point and Sean and I will rearrange your physical appearance....We are both willing to help you get this thing going..as are other people on the site...

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 10:02 AM
Oh yeah...you quit at this point and Sean and I will rearrange your physical appearance....We are both willing to help you get this thing going..as are other people on the site...

Woo!

Backing support now too!


Don't worry. I'm really not much of a quitter.
;)

Chris
April 28th, 2010, 02:24 PM
I'm really not much of a quitter.

Time will tell, thread moved to chat since there's no build happening. Project Ranger Rig is now Project Ranger Dreams. ;)

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Ahahah.

Build will happen soon.
;)

I hope.
/;

RockyMtnHigh
April 28th, 2010, 07:21 PM
Time will tell, thread moved to chat since there's no build happening. Project Ranger Rig is now Project Ranger Dreams. ;)

So if it isn't a build thread anymore and is in chat, does this mean we can have FR4X4 A.D.D. in it now and hijack the heck out of it?

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM
Sure, why not.
:)

]All my chat threads get hijacked.

scout man
April 28th, 2010, 07:54 PM
:hijack:

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Oh no your not!



I think I want to save up some money,
And buy a Toyota Supra.
;)

Chris
April 28th, 2010, 08:21 PM
The Supra motor would be great in the Ranger. :)

Mporter
April 28th, 2010, 08:23 PM
Supra's are pretty sweet. :thunb:

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 08:31 PM
The Supra motor would be great in the Ranger

I was thinking the same thing on my way home.

I'd be afraid it wouldn't fit.
ahahah.

Think it could be done?
I can't put a 5.0 V8 'stang engine in it, legally atleast. Colorado law states that it has to be the same year or newer engine.
:frown:

One of a kind and super fast ranger splash.

Chris
April 28th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Think it could be done?

Surprised I haven't used this line already since it became a standard answer to my son; Anything can be done with enough time & money.

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 08:45 PM
So
Anything can be done with enough time & money.

So,
I could put a V12 vanquish engine in my ranger?


Ahaha.

Some engines, Just wont fit.

However, supra engines are a v6
So I don't think they're that big. I'm looking for dimensions right now. That might actually end up being a SWEET project.
:)
0-60 in 4.5 seconds, stock. And theres TONS of aftermarket parts, see where I'm goin?
You may have just changed my mind about buying a supra. Imagine a minitruck that can outrace everybodys ricer car.
minitruck supra ranger ftw.

Mporter
April 28th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Keep in mind that some of the smaller "tuner" style cars have the engine in sideways. I know on my sisters Camry the engine is perpendicular to the cab, not parallel.

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I know,

Supras are parallel.

Zatticus
April 28th, 2010, 10:04 PM
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?p=449001


This guy already did it/doing it,
Haven't made it far in the thread yet.

He's my inspiration for wanting to do this now.
: )

Chris
April 28th, 2010, 10:58 PM
Haven't made it far in the thread yet.

76 posts too much to read?

Mporter
April 28th, 2010, 11:04 PM
As opposed to the 240+ we've been through without much progress here :rolleyes:

Speedwagon
April 29th, 2010, 01:43 AM
I can't put a 5.0 V8 'stang engine in it, legally atleast. Colorado law states that it has to be the same year or newer engine.


Yes you can. The exploders have 5.0s in them. All you have to do is grab one of them from '95+.

Zatticus
April 29th, 2010, 06:09 AM
I said a 5.0 mustang engine.

I know i could put an exploder in it,
but its not the same as a mustang engine, which has more horsepower.
/;

Mporter
April 29th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Just buy like a '99 Mustang....case closed

Zatticus
April 29th, 2010, 09:24 AM
Just buy like a '99 Mustang....case closed

Dude.

I dont do stangs
ever.


Or &quot;American&quot; manufacturing thats really foreign.
If I were to do that, why not just go full out foreign instead of it being marketed american.


Besides. Those model mustangs are super ***.
: )

RockyMtnHigh
April 29th, 2010, 10:08 AM
Besides. Those model mustangs are super ***.


Oooohhhh really?