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    Love my TJ but have too many kids and not enough seats. Need three seats in the back for the little ones and while they're still too young for all day trail rides, we would like to take the Jeep on short excursions or just out on the town. In the short term, I'm looking at getting a bench seat out of a full size bronco and. This will take some wheel well modifications but easy enough to do. The downside is it doesn't leave much room for anything else like a dog, cooler, etc.

    My long-term goal is to stretch the TJ to at least LJ length or about 15inchs in the tub. I like this idea as I wont have to start from scratch building a rig if we go to something like a newer JL. The TJ already has one ton axles, custom four link suspension, body panels, etc. I'm not worried about the work, rather like it actually, and think the cost would be cheaper to stretch then sell and buy/build something else.

    Question is, am I crazy for wanting to stretch the TJ or should we just bite the bullet and get a four door?

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    I think it depends on mentality. When I upgraded to my JL it was because my days of pushing the Jeep to it's limit are behind me and I just am looking to get out and see scenery and get to camping/climbing areas. That meant I did not have to build up another Jeep. You seem to still like the tougher trails and would likely be still building up. One potential thought is buy used that somebody has already paid for the steep initial depreciation of the vehicle and built up for a starting point. I was finding several Jeeps already lifted and on 37's...not 1 ton axles that I recall. It is always nice to have that unique Jeep you built yourself but it just depends where you are at in life.
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    We're a mixed bag when comes to trails. We use it to get to camping spots/hiking/scenery but also hit the harder trails to rub rocks. Wife said I can do whatever I want with it as long as she can still drive it on the street.
    I thought about buying an already built JK or JL though not sure what I would get for the TJ. I suspect not very much considering they aren't as popular as they once were. Buying an already built jeep also risks buying someone else's bag of worms not knowing it's issues or how it was built.

    Will stretching to LJ length or a bit longer even be enough room for 2 adults, 3 kids, a dog or two, cooler, etc? Hate to put all the work into building the Jeep just to find it's still not enough.

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    Is two Jeeps an option? Keep the TJ for the hard stuff and get a stock JL/JK for the kids to ride in on easier trails and camping.

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    It's going to be very hard to get enough width to fit three people (even kids) across the rear of a TJ, maybe if you have it above the wheel wells but then you loose a lot of head room. TJs still bring decent prices but you have to find the correct buyer.

    You could always buy my JKUR I am selling.

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    Ol Blue previously posted:
    "Is two Jeeps an option? Keep the TJ for the hard stuff and get a stock JL/JK for the kids to ride in on easier trails and camping."

    The wife is against two Jeeps right now due to cost of another vehicle and parking spaces at the house though I have always thought of making the TJ into more of a buggy later on. For now, it stays street legal... mostly.


    newracer previously posted:
    "It's going to be very hard to get enough width to fit three people (even kids) across the rear of a TJ, maybe if you have it above the wheel wells but then you loose a lot of head room. TJs still bring decent prices but you have to find the correct buyer.

    You could always buy my JKUR I am selling."

    I think I can modify the wheel wells enough to make the full size bronco rear bench fit. It has three seat belts. You wont get three adults there but kids should be fine. Link to your JKUR? Be interested to see your setup.

    Another option I've thought of (let me know if its crazy) is to get another junk yard TJ donor and chop it up. Fab the back half frame & tub of the donor vehicle to the back of my current TJ. Essentially making it a 4 door TJ.

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    A four door TJ has been done so you're not crazy, or at least not the only crazy person.

    My JKUR for sale.
    https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...icle/740013243

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    TjMike previously posted:
    "Ol Blue previously posted:
    "Is two Jeeps an option? Keep the TJ for the hard stuff and get a stock JL/JK for the kids to ride in on easier trails and camping."

    The wife is against two Jeeps right now due to cost of another vehicle and parking spaces at the house though I have always thought of making the TJ into more of a buggy later on. For now, it stays street legal... mostly."

    Unless you absolutely cannot park it or parking cost is crazy, this is probably the best option. I can't imagine cutting up and extending the TJ costs much less than 10k (unless you're doing it all yourself and can get materials cheap) and that will be pure sunk cost as heavily modified vehicles usually don't recoup the modification costs. Whereas buying a decent used Rubicon (or Lexus GX if you want to go to the dark side) for 10-15k will give your wife a better daily/on road experience (especially in the GX), and you'll be able to sell it later much easier. Insurance cost shouldn't really go up much once you're past 2 vehicles (assuming the TJ is not the only vehicle in the household?).

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    newracer previously posted:

    Good looking Jeep! Sure you'll get a buyer soon.

    I was looking around at photos of 4-door TJ's that have been done and honestly, not a fan. Somethings just off about it. This is the best looking one I could find.



    Mountaineer01 previously posted:
    "I can't imagine cutting up and extending the TJ costs much less than 10k (unless you're doing it all yourself and can get materials cheap) and that will be pure sunk cost as heavily modified vehicles usually don't recoup the modification costs"

    We're budgeting 10k for the LJ extension and 15K for a donor TJ 4-door extension which your right isnt cheap but if we go this route, we won't get rid of it. We already have 3 vehicles with the TJ is just a toy/weekend fun vehicle.

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    Would you be extending the wheelbase or just extending the tub at the back end?

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    Jim previously posted:
    "Would you be extending the wheelbase or just extending the tub at the back end?"

    With either option we would extend the wheelbase to limit overhang.

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    Another thing to consider, and I don't have a lot of experience since I don't do extreme terrain, does a longer wheelbase start limiting you in any way on the trails you want to do with it?

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    Mountaineer01 previously posted:
    "Another thing to consider, and I don't have a lot of experience since I don't do extreme terrain, does a longer wheelbase start limiting you in any way on the trails you want to do with it?"

    The break over angle sucks (get hung up more often) but climbing becomes easier. To your point, the 4 door TJ is really long and probably too big for what I really want to do with it. I personally like a longer wheelbase on a shorter vehicle.

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    I think you would regret modifying the TJ. Maybe an LJ-length stretch would work for a few years, but I've noticed that kids tend to get bigger as they get older and in a few years they likely won't want to cram into the back of an LJ together any more. Plus, at that size you're definitely limited to day trips. I have friends with 2 kids and a dog, and they struggle to manage a weekend of camping in their 4runner. Stretch it to a 4 door and now you've definitely ruined it for any hard wheeling. It's just too much of a compromise. You also have to consider the time you'd spend completing the work, which is time you're not wheeling or taking your kids out.

    If you see any camping or road trips in the future, consider looking at an older 3 row SUV (Expedition, Tahoe, Sequoia...). Lots more room for the future, most have aftermarket support at least for a lift kit and mild offroad mods.

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